From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A191381F3 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46AD7E0EB2; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11D8CE0E62 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 16:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id ep20so2998924lab.29 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:21:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AhTfR0CtOaKfI2f3nDlDka/aqpNwAM1MAQfFzPgmyk8=; b=A1VqbiFX5WuMumUC/H5OxlBkzbBbvk9v0YCNouCbst7/+Wc3c051UR6R0qbyKFC4c1 J099Vi9K4yXsW6kC7Ps1XQLBuypmfM5+EmHvdh96ZUYjuwIOZjcGAZqusOd+bYjN+sMZ aj7ezWWShInvRwntdg+QESyOe1Wt+QBMxZEHV0vzpKpDlXI4H/jSseyiwCaNssACyAi5 0R2bdhfSTumupbSktByZTBvSVRTxDPGdNRERMWcUg2Bqd7GLyssh9Bu48a+mT3b8E1Hg b+a+50wA9sKGl97Gk81NigeWG1MPYKjCmc4u58Ehf3EmFV6GsA8oOaPKGibjE2fr4AYo NZ9g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.198.39 with SMTP id iz7mr3471005lbc.24.1378484493345; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 09:21:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5229EE4E.7070003@gmail.com> <5229F129.6000307@orlitzky.com> <5229F373.6020206@gmail.com> <5229F590.1050106@orlitzky.com> <5229F9FC.8080307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:21:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo??? From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 05fad508-93d6-48f8-8161-eaf64a545cc3 X-Archives-Hash: 60ed1dab6a29bd6138053a67fc893041 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry wrote: >> On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>> >>> On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pul= led >>>>> it in. >>>> >>>> >>>> No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not >>>> remove now any "thing" that pulled it in. All I did was >>>> "emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world". >>>> >>>> As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were >>>> reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and >>>> linux-header updated. Nothing else. >>>> >>>> After that I did "emerge --depclean" and the above mentioned >>>> packages were suddenly removed... >>>> >>> >>> It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include >>> virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourse= lf: >>> >>> >>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/p= ackages?view=3Dlog >> >> >> Then something got broken because I have packages installed >> that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are >> configured to send emails). And these packages do not have >> "mail" use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect >> standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... >> >> So now I have "stable" system, updated to the latest level, >> where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* >> happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear >> this change was premature... > > I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that > pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. The change happened in the cron eclass: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?= r1=3D1.15&r2=3D1.16 >From the commit log: "Per extensive discussion with zmedico about removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will follow, leaving mta support optional." The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, just the sending of emails fails. Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install ssmtp by hand. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico