From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B09213838B for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D541E0973; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC3E1E0944 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f169.google.com with SMTP id l13so3075480iga.2 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5p4IQ422FKOLSt2tXqHHc7DorP78CVNKKs0y7uJgNGk=; b=ijunJ0oQkRx6eU7fxTBt35mc+VtJWAW6xSw652SknD5/k2KtOHGRu44pdBDbCSRCKC spdTYFFDLHclx1t3nr6tYhk/jsmmjf1RODqouIchdVGWIGJwzvDHMVRHiRRYyr7d3ri9 PpqO8AynSCDT1e4otnBY8UFIUtfpEdODhOiCslYDY0nmYkNruD29yLFJLoIBjCi581bs arc1H3SR8/hPNzU9es6GtmzM8i+OeU89lA8GHEC42G9wg+9vIrSQrWm4lSBhGf+vEy25 d6N+Domy0z1D1u1+nd+zr4aCZzkBVuGx+E2GNSd/ZA2wgcjzpCcOJ7hF9+Psec/G/V+x rcaQ== X-Received: by 10.42.205.19 with SMTP id fo19mr3203912icb.52.1411320247047; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.11.141 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:23:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <541EC855.9010602@gentoo.org> References: <541D8521.2060205@gentoo.org> <541EC855.9010602@gentoo.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:23:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f8541c53-d3f6-4ebe-8c6a-37406635df5a X-Archives-Hash: 1cbac1ef277d105cc5e0fdfc3919c4d7 On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 7:45 AM, hasufell wrote: > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s: >> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, hasufell wrote: >>>> =E2=80=A2 "There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX "= do one >>>> thing and do it well" model where many workflows can be done as a >>>> pipeline of simple tools each adding their own value, but let's face >>>> it, it's not how complex systems really work, and it's not how major >>>> applications have been working or been designed for a long time. It's >>>> a useful simplification, and it's still true at *some* level, but I >>>> think it's also clear that it doesn't really describe most of >>>> reality." >>>> >>> >>> He doesn't make an actual argument why useful abstraction cannot be don= e >>> in complex systems. >> >> He doesn't need to; > > Sure he does. No, he does not, because the link I posted was not an argument, was an interview and he was asked for his opinion, and in no moment was he asked to justify his opinion. You, on the other hand, seem to be arguing. I don't know exactly with whom, because surely is not with me. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico