From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RBBkq-0004Vg-OG for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:38:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B67C21C1F9; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD9721C1D1 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwg14 with SMTP id 14so1264139wwg.10 for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:36:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2FrTEo3G2904Kx/ijp+eZsukjWKxa0ul0xNTONdsJbo=; b=FOvKE7/vfCo9H6fRU843FKnZIg/Dj1R74H5EtN/oIZINrzfbfiGCvcDj+QbwNjShcG sPmakgfNZJW0OXd2A38bW1gTk2BUaqAx9lNpzm5pL5kHJsNMLrRMzasA22xgSf4BTHo4 RTsfua9zqN4cVfKDttCyGqsDe6/DQ7yocApTs= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.183.70 with SMTP id p48mr1877647wem.109.1317760599896; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.132.80 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111004221100.5cae3e5e@rohan.example.com> References: <4E8AD6C4.7070901@gmail.com> <20111004110746.395635e0@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <20111004221100.5cae3e5e@rohan.example.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:36:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it? From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 1c424b88a0e9fedec4d7393e67d39d7d On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Alan McKinnon wro= te: > On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:08:16 -0700 > Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >> > At first glace, grub2 looks like a minature Unix installation whose >> > purpose is to boot a bigger Unix installation. =C2=A0It's got it's own >> > init system and it's own set of init scripts. >> >> That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have >> (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart), and it has scripts to *generate* the >> config file. >> >> The thing is that GRUB2 needs to understand several filesystems to >> grab the kernel image from. It also wants to be able to use a more >> interesting resolution than 640x480. This means that it has to >> reimplement all the code for any filesystem, and all the code for >> video handling. > > Personally, I can't agree with this stance from the grub2 devs. > > It's a bootloader. It is visible for 3 seconds at boot time. Some of us care about those 3 seconds, and the flickering of the screen when going from bootloader to init splash to X. If you don't care about those 3 seconds or the flickering, then simply don't use grub2: keep using grub-legacy or lilo. > For driving the screen it should just use whatever facilities the > firmware one layer below it provides. That's your opinion, and a respectable one. I agree not everybody will (nor should) care about a pretty boot menu. However, many of us do. I'm pretty sure when grub2 hits the 2.0 version it will be optional at ./configure time wether to use or not pretty graphics and a lot of filesystems, or only VGA and ext2, and everything in between. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico