From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:36:39 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc823H_dF7-n7C+vkPhxOK3L8w-1RcN5Khugz8RSa1S4-wA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111004221100.5cae3e5e@rohan.example.com>
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:08:16 -0700
> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > At first glace, grub2 looks like a minature Unix installation whose
>> > purpose is to boot a bigger Unix installation. It's got it's own
>> > init system and it's own set of init scripts.
>>
>> That it's not true. It connects to whatever init system do you have
>> (OpenRC, SysV, systemd, Upstart), and it has scripts to *generate* the
>> config file.
>>
>> The thing is that GRUB2 needs to understand several filesystems to
>> grab the kernel image from. It also wants to be able to use a more
>> interesting resolution than 640x480. This means that it has to
>> reimplement all the code for any filesystem, and all the code for
>> video handling.
>
> Personally, I can't agree with this stance from the grub2 devs.
>
> It's a bootloader. It is visible for 3 seconds at boot time.
Some of us care about those 3 seconds, and the flickering of the
screen when going from bootloader to init splash to X. If you don't
care about those 3 seconds or the flickering, then simply don't use
grub2: keep using grub-legacy or lilo.
> For driving the screen it should just use whatever facilities the
> firmware one layer below it provides.
That's your opinion, and a respectable one. I agree not everybody will
(nor should) care about a pretty boot menu. However, many of us do.
I'm pretty sure when grub2 hits the 2.0 version it will be optional at
./configure time wether to use or not pretty graphics and a lot of
filesystems, or only VGA and ext2, and everything in between.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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2011-10-04 9:49 [gentoo-user] Is grub2 stable and who uses it? Dale
2011-10-04 10:07 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-04 10:16 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-10-04 12:56 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-05 16:20 ` ny6p01
2011-10-05 16:47 ` Jonas de Buhr
2011-10-05 23:18 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-10-06 8:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-06 11:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-06 13:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-06 15:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-06 15:25 ` Michael Mol
2011-10-06 15:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-06 15:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-06 16:40 ` Sebastian Beßler
2011-10-07 0:08 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-10-07 0:42 ` Michael Mol
2011-10-07 7:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-06 8:20 ` [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement (was: Is grub2 stable and who uses it?) Jonas de Buhr
2011-10-06 19:27 ` [gentoo-user] OT: change and improvement Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-06 19:42 ` Dale
2011-10-06 20:21 ` Mick
2011-10-07 3:19 ` Dale
2011-10-06 21:00 ` Jonas de Buhr
2011-10-06 21:23 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-06 21:30 ` Paul Hartman
2011-10-06 22:33 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-06 23:42 ` Jonas de Buhr
2011-10-07 0:55 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-07 7:36 ` Jonas de Buhr
2011-10-07 13:59 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-07 14:46 ` Brennan Shacklett
2011-10-07 15:03 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-07 16:16 ` Jonas de Buhr
2011-10-07 17:02 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-07 19:15 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2011-10-07 8:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2011-10-07 13:43 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-07 14:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-10-07 14:55 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-07 15:18 ` Dale
2011-10-07 15:43 ` Paul Hartman
2011-10-07 1:41 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2011-10-07 1:40 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-07 3:32 ` Dale
2011-10-07 3:39 ` Michael Mol
2011-10-07 4:42 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-10-07 5:01 ` Michael Mol
2011-10-07 5:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-07 19:11 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-07 19:20 ` Dale
2011-10-04 14:35 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Is grub2 stable and who uses it? Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 14:53 ` Dale
2011-10-04 20:13 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-04 20:52 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 21:20 ` walt
2011-10-04 21:26 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 15:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-04 18:31 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 18:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-04 20:33 ` pk
2011-10-04 20:50 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 20:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-04 21:02 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 21:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-04 21:24 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 21:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-04 22:14 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-04 22:21 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-05 13:55 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-05 14:33 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-10-05 14:46 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-05 15:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-05 15:29 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-05 16:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-05 18:42 ` Grant Edwards
2011-10-05 19:10 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-05 19:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-05 14:36 ` Sebastian Beßler
2011-10-05 16:51 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-05 6:54 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-04 21:33 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-10-04 21:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-04 22:04 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-10-05 0:09 ` Dale
2011-10-05 3:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-05 8:26 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-04 20:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-10-04 20:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2011-10-05 8:31 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-04 22:31 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-06 12:51 ` Harry Putnam
2011-10-06 13:03 ` Tanstaafl
2011-10-06 13:51 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-10-06 17:48 ` Harry Putnam
2011-10-06 19:15 ` Alan McKinnon
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