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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e0832cfecb6db520560082d24" X-Archives-Salt: 740253fa-e12d-4ba8-87cb-a2c62e09dcde X-Archives-Hash: e5de3fd9e1e194107220b420e7e05141 --089e0832cfecb6db520560082d24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote: [...] > Yes, it seems appropriate for Windows refugees and linuxers suffering > from Apple-envy. When I said I didn't understand why it would be > useful, I meant that the documentation in the site is all but clear > about the goodness of its product. Lots of freedesktop/dbus > mumbo-jumbo, though. The documentation for udisks is not intended for end-users; it's intended for developers that whish to use its benefits for their projects, GNOME and KDE included. When used right (which implies a good integration done by the distro), the software depending on it just works=E2=84=A2, which makes documentation for the end user program also redundant. You just don't notice udisks, it's quietly running in the background doing its thing without taking either much disk space, memory, nor CPU usage. For the *general case*, its benefits outweigh the almost negligible amount of resources it consumes (BTW, build time of udisks in Gentoo is about 21 seconds). Up to a point, the same can be said about systemd; although many of its programs can be and are used by end users, most of it is for distro builders, programmers and administrators. And having a couple of Gentoo boxes running Apache doesn't make anyone an administrator, BTW. That's why most of Gentoo systemd users (and we are *a lot*; Gentoo has great systemd support with several Gentoo devs collaborating with the project) usually just ignore this kind of threads. Most of the time is a lot of people which don't use it badmouthing a really cool piece of technology that has been adopted by all large (and heavily used) Linux distributions because the people that understand its technical merits realize that, for the *general case*, its benefits outweigh whatever costs (in many cases imaginary) it may have. And besides, for us it just works=E2= =84=A2, quietly running in the background. Just my two cents. I will not answer any reply to my little contribution to this thread; but of course don't hesitate to explain to me why I'm completely wrong, or a Lennart fanboi, or that I don't know what I'm talking about. I just will not partake in such a joyful and enlightening "discussion" (sadly the same conclusion I have arrived for the lasts few years regarding this mailing list). Enjoy your echo chamber. Regards. -- Dr. Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de Carrera Asociado C Departamento de Matem=C3=A1ticas Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico --089e0832cfecb6db520560082d24 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Jorge Almeida <jjalmeida@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]=
> Yes, it seems appropriate for Windows refugees and linuxers suffer= ing
> from Apple-envy. When I said I didn't understand why it wou= ld be
> useful, I meant that the documentation in the site is all but= clear
> about the goodness of its product. Lots of freedesktop/dbus<= br>> mumbo-jumbo, though.

The documentation for udisks is not int= ended for end-users; it's intended for developers that whish to use its= benefits for their projects, GNOME and KDE included. When used right (whic= h implies a good integration done by the distro), the software depending on= it just works=E2=84=A2, which makes documentation for the end user program= also redundant. You just don't notice udisks, it's quietly running= in the background doing its thing without taking either much disk space, m= emory, nor CPU usage. For the *general case*, its benefits outweigh the alm= ost=C2=A0negligible amount of resources it consumes (BTW, build time of udi= sks in Gentoo is about 21 seconds).

Up to a point, the s= ame can be said about systemd; although many of its programs can be and are= used by end users, most of it is for distro builders, programmers and admi= nistrators. And having a couple of Gentoo boxes running Apache doesn't = make anyone an administrator, BTW.

That's why = most of Gentoo systemd users (and we are *a lot*; Gentoo has great systemd = support with several Gentoo devs collaborating with the project) usually ju= st ignore this kind of threads. Most of the time is a lot of people which d= on't use it badmouthing a really cool piece of technology that has been= adopted by all large (and heavily used) Linux distributions because the pe= ople that understand its technical merits realize that, for the *general ca= se*, its benefits outweigh whatever costs (in many cases imaginary) it may = have. And besides, for us it just works=E2=84=A2, quietly running in the ba= ckground.

Just my two cents. I will not answer any= reply to my little contribution to this thread; but of course don't he= sitate to explain to me why I'm completely wrong, or a Lennart fanboi, = or that I don't know what I'm talking about. I just will not partak= e in such a joyful and enlightening "discussion" (sadly the same = conclusion I have arrived for the lasts few years regarding this mailing li= st).

Enjoy your echo chamber.

=
Regards.
--
Dr. Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s
Profesor de Car= rera Asociado C
Departamento de Matem=C3=A1ticas
Facultad de Ciencias=
Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico

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