From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A380F1580B9 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 23:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 057FCE087C; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 23:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE987E0837 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 23:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id j18so19569168ioj.8 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 16:38:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=zgs1bXtxlnwAWjwsguhaR7rC8I1fIpUNyBK/HPibakM=; b=FV9QfLJ8HXVnxt6S/A+toB7zFWaNl2QROcpG4xG1SlOobkbH2XZdjvU0vD/0YsjlhH cLoFGORZdskMxstk7f/aPrkPp7/Lda9nE9BDHhzTUfHWimQKd/38ZKb7HFuyG4nms0wo 0lTd4Npf2305lWxL1GPnEzyVfBg0VaklxNFcZO8W4UBAW3jZC7h4D7CSMEtIsiEUfpUJ KqkS5nRBPoXXJyncjcdJhpejJRUjH51TwtCLG5L1+BeOaGy5pSfvv3H0y6QMYINbwkjg BC6K+j9WdaZzNbd8aNltyguNTgB1w4kWsv4c6McVlgnalr7XPbrqUd4E8YdfvpDgDe/t Xbzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=zgs1bXtxlnwAWjwsguhaR7rC8I1fIpUNyBK/HPibakM=; b=uftA52G9ObuPh5rbSkPHiN2Ir0Vaq2Yz3TrsW3onGcSvwclkB3ziyTS9o5JCJBKdYD b0ufewU7WS4isgD9ayjCL0WQ2k8gOm1BAC7WeIdnzy5alcQZJCnzn32zCvpGwJYwysvL qGcjvaMU0yrHyCisuttX/6t/9TX9MV7becfTJ2ovLyflJ8a1yaqq0ShBd3c6eUR/JM1c ygNeI/wwE+9EHmOAou/6od5N1vDRcUelH/6GAbJ8xH1pNLEUjuqiRJ0xSIwHe+6Q1Jjx NnAHefeTzLvE+FwvwnRPP474WQUaiC/ou8JwEGeZQIAlO3w9WBS2YI4V8VO0pFFx6MUl KzVw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531A0C1nV4GMePN0sDVzhXMiKc4InR9HWIl0AYMjKq4iASy5bqOm P+vU9JbyIrR7s5so/oQcxk9+nKyxv6j4Y/7mMp2w4TjU+FGk5wDk X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxnIGg1+ZuYlJZYn8ZAhOmDHbGfiMbw5B8jh380+sFOd+6FUpaCNFW2P9qQRhEYAM1Gmctdd6fFg6xDjfv8Qxg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:3805:: with SMTP id i5mr24719188jav.72.1629675480130; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 16:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210821201720.13F158517F49@turkos.aspodata.se> <20210822203110.5C6BB8517F53@turkos.aspodata.se> <18ae899b-a172-75ce-b7e5-b998fb672f46@youngman.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <18ae899b-a172-75ce-b7e5-b998fb672f46@youngman.org.uk> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 18:37:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] X11 without udev/eudev To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000017a97905ca2e642b" X-Archives-Salt: ddb2d680-308e-4414-8355-348a8515200f X-Archives-Hash: f2d9d965ddf1ffc3a6fecb4e00850d8d --00000000000017a97905ca2e642b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 6:18 PM antlists wrote: [...] > What you're missing, is that this code IS NOT USED. > > The OP wants to delete a load of code from his system precisely to > ELIMINATE vulnerabilities. If the code ain't there, it don't need fixing. > Where do you get that impression from? The OP needs handling keyboard and mouse (as per his first email), and to do that in Linux these days, you basically need udev, because xf86-input-mouse and xf86-input-keyboard are going the way of the dodo. Where does the "ELIMINATE vulnerabilities" come from? The OP is just complaining that to use keyboard and mouse, now he needs udev. My point is that it's not his call; it's the call of the developers of the software that he decided to use. > Yes I take your point, but bloat is bloat, and bloat is a liability. > There is no bloat; the developers *need* to handle the dynamic hardware case *and* the static hardware case. With udev, they handle both; otherwise there would be two code routes: one for static and another for dynamic hardware. THAT would be bloat; using udev solves all the cases and bloat is averted. Is exactly the contrary of what you are saying. Regards. -- Dr. Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de Carrera Asociado C Departamento de Matem=C3=A1ticas Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico --00000000000017a97905ca2e642b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 6:18 PM antlists = <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
What you're missing, is that this code IS NOT USED.

The OP wants to delete a load of code from his system precisely to
ELIMINATE vulnerabilities. If the code ain't there, it don't need f= ixing.

Where do you get that impression= from? The OP needs handling keyboard and mouse (as per his first email), a= nd to do that in Linux these days, you basically need udev, because=C2=A0xf= 86-input-mouse and xf86-input-keyboard are going the way of the dodo.
=

Where does the "ELIMINATE vulnerabilities" co= me from? The OP is just complaining that to use keyboard and mouse, now he = needs udev.

My point is that it's not his call= ; it's the call of the developers of the software that he decided to us= e.
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Yes I take your point, but bloat is bloat, and bloat is a liability.

There is no bloat;=C2=A0the developers *need*= to handle the dynamic hardware case *and* the static hardware case. With u= dev, they handle both; otherwise there would be two code routes: one for st= atic and another for dynamic hardware.

THAT would = be bloat; using udev solves all the cases and bloat is averted. Is exactly = the contrary of what you are saying.
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Regards.--
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