From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R1jYQ-0005wZ-7j for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 18:42:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F13121C39A; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6649621C16D for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so934181wwi.4 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 11:40:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6CxVxP5anoOhw1eWU3nhJIEZ43qgYR+1Z+xnQVRjRsA=; b=ZvO+zJVN+pu94nfkln0SlCk9Pjxw25qB5ODmzMUeISnWDw0gC7P9saIeylx/J75rC5 ff65mDj6vh2tNN954tsz3Hh5h3WRDmwFRjLAyDvt0SkXYgKdpVwiLJpIKo6EReaexc+L VRwNwBluLAqpOInSR+H6PyJS/CKT+MWh7Kfe0= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.185.4 with SMTP id t4mr1073480wem.83.1315507258506; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 11:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.39.140 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 11:40:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E68FBA2.4040201@coolmail.se> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110907050952.GA2588@linux1> <4E66FFFA.2020600@gmail.com> <201109071923.39954.Dan.Johansson@dmj.nu> <20110907235457.691be720@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <4E68FBA2.4040201@coolmail.se> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: bb9717bd5fec063f833cc2f0b5630e1b On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:30 PM, pk wrote: > On 2011-09-08 05:23, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >> Yeah, first time I installed Linux, it required 512 Mb (if I installed >> X), and 16 Mb of memmory. Change happens. I welcome it happily, >> because that's how we progress and get even better stuff. > > Change is sometimes good, sometimes bad. Something that used to work > (and still works on other *nix:es) but doesn't because someone doesn't > think it should work that way is... well, what can I say? This is a > regression, there's no other way to put it. The world is never black or white. Under several definitions, *nothing* has stopped working. You just need to do extra stuff to keep it working. > Also, you say you welcome change... If you could have all of todays > functionality in a GNU/Linux OS in 512MB/16MB, wouldn't that be much > better than needing several GB (in both hard drive space and memory)? > You could put all that space (hard drive/mem) to good use instead... Or > are you one of those that thinks change is good just for the sake of... > change? No, I understand that today's functionality in Linux requires more hard drive space, more memory and faster CPU's. I don't like change for change's sake, my whole point is that the benefits we get from following upstream overweights the problems. (Of course, again, is not black and white: the kernel devs, I trust almost withouth doubt. GNOME devs I trust less. An unknown hacker with a new project I trust almost nothing.) Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico