From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R1nJU-0000lT-CH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 22:43:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5248821C316; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8DD21C312 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so1308083wyg.40 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:39:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hLkxv3VceM9aiTrMSse2BApSU9gNORc5xcFN/gQs4jQ=; b=VtZK0MUQ7X34q2iZoJIp40BjM9J/gdGVLZ+2j6zwjqkukmk5D4etKAzMEYhBVNHkk+ Ivr7eTm5jn0TXhD9SExklnlmWyUeAeEJW7NG6FA8zyHC8n7YkqE51FfdbB7KbdbydZX5 tpmFnsSGrWDWWKiBzehkadF5wxRRHQNTnydek= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.82.211 with SMTP id o61mr1216204wee.65.1315521561939; Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.38.140 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201109082333.58335.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110908212531.69422844@karnak.local> <201109082333.58335.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 834492285565657d7c74ca61edf0c207 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Mick wrote: > Unless I misunderstood this and referenced threads, all this agro is bein= g > generated because udev devs decided to give primacy not to the linux fs a= nd > prevailing FHS conventions, but their udev code and what may have been an= easy > workaround for them? > > Given that I do not understand the ins and outs of udev, or the way gento= o and > upstream manage such proposals and ultimately accept changes, why don't g= entoo > devs raise alternative options with the Fedora dev or who ever had this i= dea > upstream that udev code effort is more precious than all the workarounds > (initramfs, repartitioning, etc.) that some of us have to go through? > > The alternatives I've read so far that advocate the avoidance of the > imposition of an initramfs or merging /usr into / for the sake of a udev > design choice, seem more 'intelligent' to me - in a gentoo principle sort= of > way. > > On the other hand, for a binary distro the udev dev approach would of cou= rse > seem less disruptive and therefore our small gentoo user base may need to > shout really loud to be heard. > > Do we get to vote on this? Not really: you can vote with your feet and use another distro/operating system. But the choice is theirs. > =C2=A0Can we make a difference other than venting here > and in the forums? Yes: design and write a different system. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico