From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34991381F3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D3914E0AEA; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 932EAE0AAB for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id eh20so761419lab.33 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+AEwZ50sMM4QCwG6jukCghguXk+r2B94QonRLFJWEdg=; b=yqFocFGB6dREXRh5IpxL3K8dTq5oMPi3JiXJ5s9vY0rpffLv9YhgIJSJyni8WCbyx2 yf00aQLwUxF1+2U8Lo7P7i3rjdh6Bo1YrbyCaeyiCjQ+q2r7cH0TcvUcEKzgXfpTt8+S HCiXSeMB/Tesi6Qun1UAux99qoQF25nLEhD+16tZzLjagdenN/b6bft4BRiSLrTTiMsK IgpDTZw/Qb/S8KCLJWSaV/uLE2wUfpznCR5kMkvZIW5HtsAq8d+5eKGth86rON+fxyfs AsvpgapNBemtacYZXnqj3hXaTBxNRahT/6lhALXAOaBAvkn6A7tmNFCTXe9gNW1xy0ch rBkg== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.5.227 with SMTP id v3mr31767928lav.31.1375294941853; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51F952C3.7070903@gmail.com> References: <57299332.XkTIeZ2QOq@melforce> <3017.1375206780@ccs.covici.com> <6349.1375221843@ccs.covici.com> <51F8F63E.9020705@libertytrek.org> <20130731132227.5e582ee7@digimed.co.uk> <51F9034E.7040204@libertytrek.org> <51F92CC0.2060504@libertytrek.org> <51F9480E.3080406@gmail.com> <51F952C3.7070903@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c857476e-872e-4942-8517-d0c222304b9d X-Archives-Hash: ade1f156e2018f70089db92dbd70e708 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan McKinnon wr= ote: > On 31/07/2013 19:56, Stroller wrote: >> >> On 31 July 2013, at 18:23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> ... >>> Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging >>> about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show >>> in ways they really should be keeping private. >> >> Hmmmn, it's a bit freaking weird - if I'm understanding correctly some o= f the statements made here about systemd - that there will be files install= ed to /etc/init.d/ that don't actually do anything. >> >> Stroller. >> >> > > You are understanding it wrong. The scene being worked towards is: > > ebuilds for services will install openrc scripts in /etc/init.d > ebuilds for services will install unit files somewhere else. > Only one of those sets of teeny weeny files can be used at a time, the > set in user depends on the service manager. > > There's an idea floating around that openrc could use systemd unit files > but it's still just an idea. If it becomes more than an idea, the files > in /etc/init.d may or may not be dispensed with. Either way it doesn't > matter. Unit files are unlikely to number more than 100 total, and are > likely to be smaller than 1 fs allocation unit in size. 160 files in my laptop, using 652K, 122 files in a LAMP server, using 492K. > bash's man page is considerably larger than all that all by itself. bash's man page is 62K in my laptop (compressed with bzip2), 277K uncompres= sed. So, not quite exactly like you say, but the point remains true. The man pages in my laptop use more than 20 times the space used in /usr/lib/systemd (and that includes binaries like systemd itself and systemd-udev). acero ~ # du -sh /usr/share/man 82M /usr/share/man acero ~ # du -sh /usr/lib/systemd/ 3.6M /usr/lib/systemd/ And /usr/share/doc is 2.5G in my laptop. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico