From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7E0138E35 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 50114E0AF4; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28BD5E0A95 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id n15so12838820lbi.11 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:32:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=YQdINuS2UnP9A0/F1tO+RBrcgkX1EExgiBLlycU9+7E=; b=UoqpL42HvPycyQBDTWsopqUw5Jp9v5BIcEc/TZn4/Y/+BVykrs7MPaBtObVb5eV36C n223YRcLjzgMrNMM/ozHb1PhpS2StaZZG8ScKHS3ZUV1y2Oh+nUIxip7oFba7qE369P7 E8iJFwQ4DtGA5wSztar3BjVsIz+apGj6eud9CYGyDyaTU4WyGcCgSDzg9Ve/ns0YVAbg M+lUwO4urs+NxfLtxyhiqT5+K28/6C98nRAp0Nb6HvF8Fpg9U4s/8+ZlUJpy/m69+Jee acirG29v/jtL9cAjN1eDQYze1XCSWTAP/0/fHamzDaLUrrWlHNoqaIeJNBjqjISADRmD +PPQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.120.201 with SMTP id le9mr209509lab.68.1392759134468; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.170.67 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.170.67 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:32:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5303CB09.60308@darkmetatron.de> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <53010ADB.2070708@yandex.ru> <201402161926.17796.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <530125E0.1080105@googlemail.com> <5303CB09.60308@darkmetatron.de> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:32:14 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0122784477be1704f2b50158 X-Archives-Salt: 2701bc07-78b4-4d28-aabf-9f3e3951472a X-Archives-Hash: 9752fdeeafed599d8a935853cb302580 --089e0122784477be1704f2b50158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Feb 18, 2014 3:05 PM, "Sebastian Be=C3=9Fler" wrote: > > On 16.02.2014 21:56, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > Hello List. > > > and all are linked (not compile&link) in such a manner that you can't > > just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you like it > > or not. > > A few weeks ago I wanted to see what systemd is really like so I started > a little test and switched to systemd on my private gentoo desktop > system. I don't care what people say, if possible only my personal > experience matters. > > First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped > with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think that a > binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I looked into the config > files of systemd, deactivated journald and configured logging to rsyslog > instead. In the spirit of correctness, I should mention that you don't disable the journal; you can configure it so it doesn't stores its binary logs, but it's still running. And you always can run other legacy logger alongside the journal, and have both things; binary logs for fast retrieval, and text logs if you so desire= . > And just like journald many (if not most or even all, I'm still > at the surface of systemd configuration) of the new and ugly tools can > be replaced by the good old tools we like and love. > > Out of experience I can now say that many of the point said against > systemd a just not true. Please everyone, make use of a rainy winter > evening, install a virtual maschine with an systemd distribution and > look into its options, configurations and workings. Just for the sake of > getting rid of all the little wrong statements and rumors. > Then we can concentrate on the real issues and problems of systemd. Regards. --089e0122784477be1704f2b50158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Feb 18, 2014 3:05 PM, "Sebastian Be=C3=9Fler" &= lt;sebastian@darkmetatron.de> wrote:
>
> On 16.02.2014 21:56, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
> Hello List.
>
> > and all are linked (not compile&link) in such a manner that y= ou can't
> > just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you li= ke it
> > or not.
>
> A few weeks ago I wanted to see what systemd is really like so I start= ed
> a little test and switched to systemd on my private gentoo desktop
> system. I don't care what people say, if possible only my personal=
> experience matters.
>
> First I thought that with systemd I have to use all the things shipped=
> with systemd like journald (which I don't like because I think tha= t a
> binary file for syslogs is just broken) so I looked into the config > files of systemd, deactivated journald and configured logging to rsysl= og
> instead.

In the spirit of correctness, I should mention that you don&= #39;t disable the journal; you can configure it so it doesn't stores it= s binary logs,=C2=A0 but it's still running.

And you always can run other legacy logger alongside the jou= rnal, and have both things; binary logs for fast retrieval, and text logs i= f you so desire.

> And just like journald many (if not most or even all, I= 'm still
> at the surface of systemd configuration) of the new and ugly tools can=
> be replaced by the good old tools we like and love.
>
> Out of experience I can now say that many of the point said against > systemd a just not true. Please everyone, make use of a rainy winter > evening, install a virtual maschine with an systemd distribution and > look into its options, configurations and workings. Just for the sake = of
> getting rid of all the little wrong statements and rumors.
> Then we can concentrate on the real issues and problems of systemd.

Regards.

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