From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5157C1381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:08:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D3A0E08C1; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f178.google.com (mail-ig0-f178.google.com [209.85.213.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51E1FE088D for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f178.google.com with SMTP id h18so756420igc.11 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XWw7gxJY5jb33aLtXBOEp0EywAvOIXNirskfSY3VaMw=; b=VPpSH0YVX9uGotSGejQzePhWSMWI2sGBB6fKWZowNXzL7nW+FO3OI/Mv9wuZK5nxSk cpvIB8tTQlhjq1SuE2sCQGeBrxS3HCOfOoa11bpU4h0kntlywiFzMJDfMm7R9GVQa55M ri94JY2DxzGax3cpAua2vjDs3cLhdDLs6NYTc+4Y8w4ifxdwWqRzALx7g+7XxAjeyTXI SlnhjRWwB1uuVuICVGWhvC6q62MbQoSn4zOY4oTgddyUwiYOf67OwvrTZPf9XAAyGVFL 2ve04OenUCKF8Ez//vtf5r+UirUsOY0CTxqc0QVKy3BIzcKCsx9b8RdI8n4ehOP8EzET FIIQ== X-Received: by 10.50.79.131 with SMTP id j3mr28728050igx.23.1401815308445; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.136.237 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> References: <20140603161406.0400709b5f38540475ac4c1f@web.de> <6653474.aQqAYpAeto@wstn> <538DFC41.3080602@libertytrek.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 12:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: d3cb7c7f-32e9-4b48-a809-19b9d1dd1f10 X-Archives-Hash: 44209abe12bbe4d51c17982676133624 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Tanstaafl wrot= e: > On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wr= ote: >> >> Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more >> infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime >> it happens is unrealistic? > > > Weren't you the one saying that those of us who were voicing concerns tha= t > systemd proponents were ultimately wanting to FORCE systemd on everyone w= ere > just scare-mongering conspiracy theorists? Who is "forcing" anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had *nothing* to do with it, except for providing a better, more reliable alternative. That's what you and many others don't seem to understand: systemd is a *BETTER* implementation for basically *ALL* the hodgepodge of "solutions" that we had before in our plumbing layer. Since systemd provides a better alternative for everything in the stack just above the kernel, more and more projects (probably) will start using it exclusively. That is no systemd's fault; they just worked in a good, integrated solution. Why any project will want to support multiple alternatives for the same functionality, if systemd provides the better one, and almost no distribution works without it? Perhaps if somebody wrote the code they'll do it, but almost all programmers who know what they are doing refuse to work with anything else than systemd You don't like it? Go ahead and take maintainership of pm-utils. Fork UPower. Make better replacements for the components that systemd provides. There is no conspiracy here (although for *SURE* there are scare-mongering conspiracy theorists); there is only developers working in the best possible implementation for our plumbing layer, and other developers realizing that, in Linux at least, supporting anything besides systemd is a freakin' waste of time and resources. Again; you don't like it? Then do something about it instead of posting in *-user lists. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico