From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:21:11 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc80vA-grv-bAv8ddNnH_KxfZdF7X7v0oC3BoxKY6nZfU0A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110908214836.014d6adc@rohan>
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 11:13:58 -0400
> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Have you *ever* thought about machines, that are not x86 or x86_64?
>> > Here's an intersting read:
>> > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/72769
>>
>> No, I haven't thought about them, because I don't use them. What it
>> has to do with anything?
>
> Linux runs on many many many more arches than just x86 and amd64. IIRC
> it's about 29 in total.
>
> Do you agree that the needs and requirements of all those other arches
> might be important to everything else?
I'm not saying it's not important, I'm saying that the needs of the
less used archs cannot slow down the development of the most popular
ones. Again, is an economic reason: we don't have enough devs.
> You keep mentioning "it will all work if you just use an initramfs".
> Did it occur to you that that statement is the entire problem and
> demonstrates the problem nicely?
No, because it's not a solution decided because of laziness, which
many here seem to think it is.
> I do not have an initramfs, do not
> need one, see no need to have one and have not yet seen a valid
> technical reason for why having one is ideal.
It's not "ideal" (I don't think anybody has said that). Almost nothing
is "ideal" in computer science.
Maybe it's not enough for you, but I repeat: we need dynamic /dev
trees, udev giveus that, the udev code lives in user space, we need an
early user space => initramfs.
> My gentoo systems do not
> run binary distros, I have no need for a generic mechanism designed to
> cope with any hardware Fedora might happen to find itself booting on,
> hardware that the devs have no idea of when they compile their distros.
Hey, I compile all my modules inside my kernels. That has nothing to
do with udev, because you can connect via USB or eSATA *any* hardware
into your computer, and the /dev tree needs to update dynamically.
Maybe *you* don't want that, and that's fine: but the majority of
users do want that. Your use-case is not the most important one in the
whole world.
> I, on the other hand, already know everything I need to know about my
> hardware for the purposes of booting, running udev and building a valid
> kernel that fits my needs.
Me too. And yet, I use an initramfs for the pretty plymouth splash screen.
> Tell me again what it is that validly requires me to switch to some new
> way of doing things?
Nothing: if you don't like it, don't use it (or use an alternative),
or change it.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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2011-08-18 18:59 [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot frares
2011-08-18 19:08 ` András Csányi
2011-08-19 12:42 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2011-08-19 19:38 ` Francesco Talamona
2011-08-18 19:13 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Mol
2011-08-19 5:33 ` Graham Murray
2011-08-19 1:44 ` Matthew Finkel
2011-08-19 2:27 ` Mark Knecht
2011-08-19 10:09 ` Mick
2011-08-19 13:12 ` frares
2011-08-19 13:41 ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-19 22:08 ` Dale
2011-08-20 7:04 ` Mick
2011-08-20 7:17 ` Dale
2011-08-20 8:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20 8:48 ` Dale
2011-08-20 8:57 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20 12:55 ` Mick
2011-09-06 23:06 ` Dale
2011-09-07 5:09 ` William Hubbs
2011-09-07 5:24 ` Dale
2011-09-07 17:23 ` Dan Johansson
2011-09-07 17:52 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 18:09 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 18:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:07 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:10 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:19 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-07 19:24 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:27 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 22:54 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-07 23:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 23:39 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 3:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 10:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 15:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:03 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 2:55 ` Dale
2011-09-09 15:29 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 9:10 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 17:30 ` pk
2011-09-08 18:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 5:04 ` pk
2011-09-07 23:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 3:30 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 3:39 ` Dale
2011-09-08 14:51 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:15 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 15:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 16:11 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:11 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:43 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:04 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 23:23 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 11:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 21:44 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-09 8:06 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-09 10:03 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12 8:40 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-12 9:18 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12 16:50 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:31 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 23:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:40 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:56 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:28 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 23:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 17:35 ` pk
2011-09-08 17:47 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 18:11 ` pk
2011-09-08 19:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:40 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09 9:39 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 18:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 5:18 ` pk
2011-09-08 7:59 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 15:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 7:37 ` [gentoo-user] " Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08 8:17 ` Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08 1:37 ` [gentoo-user] " David W Noon
2011-09-08 2:49 ` Dale
2011-09-08 3:33 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 8:09 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 15:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 16:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:01 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:45 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 19:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:37 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 20:03 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:57 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09 8:11 ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-09 8:53 ` Dale
2011-09-09 9:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 1:25 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:32 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:58 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 7:54 ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 14:59 ` Dale
2011-09-10 15:52 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:34 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 21:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 21:28 ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:35 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 9:37 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-09-12 8:41 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:40 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:55 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12 8:35 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-10 17:33 ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:12 ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:21 ` Dale
2011-09-12 7:12 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 12:14 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-12 12:28 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 14:47 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-12 15:29 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-12 15:44 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 16:56 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:16 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 7:56 ` Dale
2011-09-12 7:17 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 7:49 ` Dale
2011-09-09 11:35 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:46 ` Mick
2011-09-09 16:44 ` pk
2011-09-09 17:04 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:09 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:10 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:01 ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:56 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 15:52 ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:02 ` Keith Dart
2011-09-10 22:51 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 23:40 ` Keith Dart
2011-09-11 11:59 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:24 ` pk
2011-09-09 17:53 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-10 1:15 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:23 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:49 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:17 ` pk
2011-09-10 7:36 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 10:24 ` Mick
2011-09-10 16:09 ` Dale
2011-09-10 16:19 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:36 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:50 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:47 ` Dale
2011-09-10 21:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11 8:22 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-11 8:54 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-11 9:51 ` pk
2011-09-10 10:43 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 3:16 ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-11 7:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11 12:26 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 18:56 ` Dale
2011-09-11 19:37 ` Mick
2011-09-11 21:07 ` Dale
2011-09-11 21:46 ` David W Noon
2011-09-11 22:08 ` Dale
2011-09-12 1:44 ` James Wall
2011-09-12 8:12 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 19:07 ` David W Noon
2011-09-12 7:45 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 8:32 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12 8:49 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 9:07 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 9:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 9:34 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 10:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-14 5:01 ` Walter Dnes
2011-09-08 19:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:21 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2011-09-08 20:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 16:44 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 16:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 18:05 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 19:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:25 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:42 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 22:33 ` Mick
2011-09-08 22:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 23:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 6:22 ` Mick
2011-09-09 7:35 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:51 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:45 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:32 ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 11:41 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:44 ` Dale
2011-09-09 14:02 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 1:20 ` Dale
2011-09-09 18:16 ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 19:57 ` Alex Schuster
2011-08-20 12:53 ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-20 12:59 ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 13:29 ` Mick
2011-08-20 13:58 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-08-20 15:32 ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 14:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 13:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 15:06 ` frares
2011-08-19 15:20 ` Alan McKinnon
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-18 19:17 frares
2011-08-18 19:26 ` frares
2011-08-18 19:42 ` Michael Mol
2011-08-18 23:29 ` Peter Humphrey
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