From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1REz2Y-0007fW-CW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:52:18 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5165421C0C1; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76FF21C06A for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf19 with SMTP id 19so4487217wyf.40 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:50:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zV2/Wy0TYnXtcHL67XTD8RIw8Stw7NcRSDOfgvasDN0=; b=GUgO2Nv1e2gnnpAFzLnjvXso65Z3aVUCqW1Y6NDZkoTZ77BpNIUZQqTM3PsWQrhQib gopUXhsXJu3pMttGkWzgg15d+8T/nenfnpY1woxjoqRyOnb+jkTJJQ9onz/IeiMoagrB nyAcT1p6XiRyIZD76fLemFOW0fwMdFURGWo5o= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.133.219 with SMTP id q69mr3798159wei.79.1318665022837; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.234.130 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:50:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4E98601C.3030607@gmail.com> <20111014224110.7acaf5b3@digimed.co.uk> <4E98BBE4.6040306@gmail.com> <4E992E82.5010103@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 11b3ba1997b782f682fb3d7c8e2bf24c On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Dale wrote: >> Pandu Poluan wrote: >> >> On Oct 15, 2011 5:49 AM, "Dale" wrote: >>> >>> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:15:24 -0500, Dale wrote: >>>> >>>>> A'right now. =C2=A0I'm going to start on hal and /usr being on / agai= n. =C2=A0:-P >>>> >>>> Jeez, 43 years on and you're still going on about it... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Dang, I was only a year old when hal came out? =C2=A0That just doubled = my age. >>> =C2=A0It's closer to what I feel like tho. >>> >>> I'm still not happy with /usr being required tho. =C2=A0That is still s= tanding >>> on a bad nerve. =C2=A0Don't worry tho, I got plenty of those bad nerves= . =C2=A0:-P >>> >> >> Do you know that there's a plan to move /var/run to / also? ;-) >> >> Rgds, >> >> >> Now someone on here swears up and down that /var isn't going to be requi= red >> on /. > > /var !=3D /var/run > /var !=3D /var/lock > > /var/run is going in /run, but /var/run (by definition) only contains > things like PID files and runtime sockets. In the same vein, /var/lock > also is going into /run/lock. I have acknowledged this from the very > beginning, and I have been pointing out that implying that because > those two (really small and bounded) directories of /var are going > into /run and /run/lock, it doesn't mean that the whole /var will go > into /. That is disinformation. I finally found the link (got confused by gmane interface): http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/246892 Quoting myself (from more than one month ago): "Saying that proposing /run and /lock to be available at boot time means that in the future a separated /var partition could be not supported is, in my book, disinformation. /var/run and /var/lock (by definition) are almost empty (in space). /var/lib usually stores whole databases. The difference is important and relevant." Stop the fear mongering. If you jump into using an initramfs, then every single configuration on the planet (and on the future) will be supported, and it actually has its advantages to use said initramfs. If for irrational fear of using an initramfs, and your system is simple enough (where "simple" does not include LVM, NFS, and stuff like that), then you will be able to use Zac's proposal. In either case, /var will be always possible to have on a separated partition, and that is actually the recommended setup. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico