Re: [gentoo-user] Apologize to everyone for my nonprofessional

["Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Saturday, 15. October 2011 02:11:43 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM, Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@gmx.de>
> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, 15. October 2011 01:42:10 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> >> > /var/lib usually stores whole
>> >> > databases. The difference is important and relevant."
>> >>
>> >> My systems has directories alsa, bluetooth, hp and many more
>> >> there that are not databases at all.
>> >>
>> >> So?
>> >> Which one? That /var is not going into /?
>> >
>> > No. That /var/lib contains databases. Is this so difficult to get?
>>
>> I get it; it's just not relevant.
>>
>> > On my system /var/lib/alsa contains data, that alsa uses to restore
>> > mixer- levels.
>>
>> Yeah, it does.
>>
>> > So *my* /var/lib is used during boot and *my* /var/lib has to be
>> > mounted by the initramfs.
>>
>> No, it doesn't. What are you talking about? Look at /etc/init.d/alsasound:
>>
>> depend() {
>>         need localmount
>>         after bootmisc modules isapnp coldplug hotplug
>> }
>>
>> Look at the first need from alsasound depend: it says, that it goes
>> after localmount. If you have /var in NFS (a very weird setup for a
>> desktop machine) maybe it will cause problems: but then it would be
>> fault of OpenRC (or the alsasound init script). If /var is on a
>> different partition, localmount will mount it and *then* alsasound
>> will execute.
>>
>> And it makes sense: the volume restoring doesn't matter until
>> immediately before running gdm and going into the desktop; of course
>> you can mount /var before that.
>>
>> >That's the situation on nearly every gentoo system
>> >
>> > using sound
>>
>> Yeah, and as I explained, thanks to need localmount there is no problem.
>>
>> >(systemd might handle this different, I have no idea)
>>
>> Yeah, it does more intelligently: as I said, the volume restoring is
>> only needed just before starting X.
>>
>> > Got it? Your system is not the center of the world.
>>
>> No, but I start to think you don't know *your* system. Check the
>> alsasound init script.
>
> *lol*
> Now, this is getting ridiculous.

Indeed, it is getting ridiculous.

> I don't know my system?

No, you don't.

> Have a look into
> /lib/udev/rules.d/90-alsa-restore.rules
> to realize, that this is a hack, that restores alsa-levels *twice* on systems
> that have /var/lib on /. The levels are supposed to be restored by *udev* not
> the script.

Yeah, but it doesn't run when udev *starts*. It runs when a card is
*added* to the system; that is the reason for the ACTION="add" part.
It's inteded to be used for USB cards (like external speakers with a
little sound card incorporated), so its volume is restored *at insert
time*.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México