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Subject: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd
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This is highly off-topic, and systemd-related, so if you don't want
your breakfast with a healthy amount of flames, skip it.
iTWire posted an interview with Linus Torvalds[1], where the Big
Penguin himself gave a succinct and pretty fair opinion on systemd.
The gist of it can be resumed in two lines:
"I don't personally mind systemd, and in fact my main desktop and
laptop both run it."
I post it here because several times in the last discussions about
systemd, there was people asking what opinion Linus had about systemd.
I personally don't think Linus particular opinion matters at all in
this particular issue; in general people who likes systemd will
continue to like it, and people who despises it will continue to do
so, for any good, bad, real or imaginary reason. However, I *really*
like several things Linus says in the interview; some juicy bits:
=E2=80=A2 "So I think many of the "original ideals" of UNIX are these days
more of a mindset issue than necessarily reflecting reality of the
situation."
=E2=80=A2 "There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX "do on=
e
thing and do it well" model where many workflows can be done as a
pipeline of simple tools each adding their own value, but let's face
it, it's not how complex systems really work, and it's not how major
applications have been working or been designed for a long time. It's
a useful simplification, and it's still true at *some* level, but I
think it's also clear that it doesn't really describe most of
reality."
=E2=80=A2 "...systemd is in no way the piece that breaks with old UNIX lega=
cy."
=E2=80=A2 " I'm still old-fashioned enough that I like my log-files in text=
,
not binary, so I think sometimes systemd hasn't necessarily had the
best of taste, but hey, details..[.]"
=E2=80=A2 (About the "single-point-of-failure" "argument") "I think people =
are
digging for excuses. I mean, if that is a reason to not use a piece of
software, then you shouldn't use the kernel either."
=E2=80=A2 "And there's a classic term for it in the BSD camps: "bikeshed
painting", which is very much about how random people can feel like
they have the ability to discuss superficial issues, because everybody
feels that they can give an opinion on the color choice. So issues
that are superficial get a lot more noise. Then when it comes to
actual hard and deep technical decisions, people (sometimes) realise
that they just don't know enough, and they won't give that the same
kind of mouth-time."
It's an interesting read; I highly recommend it.
[1] http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/65402-torvalds-says-=
he-has-no-strong-opinions-on-systemd
--=20
Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico