[gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Philip Webb]

I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
& it wants to install  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ;
 10  pkgs are KDE & include Marble.

Is my surprise justified ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
> & it wants to install  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ;
>  10  pkgs are KDE & include Marble.
>
> Is my surprise justified ?

Yes, I think it is. Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn
pulls systemd. Support for gphoto2 in digikam is optional, I belive;
the easiest solution is to USE="-gphoto2".

If you are willing to spend a little time investigating, I bet you can
install gphoto2 without systemd, but you need to see what is pulling
it. My bet would be PolicyKit.

The thing is, GNOME 3 now need systemd. Therefore, a lot of GNOME
packages are setting their defaults dependencies to pull packages in
such a way that systemd is one of them. If you don't use GNOME, but
install one of its packages (or something that pulls something else
from GNOME), you can pull *by default* systemd.

However, I'm pretty sure you can configure out systemd without too
much problem (if you don't use GNOME 3, that is).

Regards.
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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>> I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
>> & it wants to install  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ;
>>  10  pkgs are KDE & include Marble.
>>
>> Is my surprise justified ?
>
> Yes, I think it is. Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn
> pulls systemd. Support for gphoto2 in digikam is optional, I belive;
> the easiest solution is to USE="-gphoto2".
>
> If you are willing to spend a little time investigating, I bet you can
> install gphoto2 without systemd, but you need to see what is pulling
> it. My bet would be PolicyKit.
>
> The thing is, GNOME 3 now need systemd. Therefore, a lot of GNOME
> packages are setting their defaults dependencies to pull packages in
> such a way that systemd is one of them. If you don't use GNOME, but
> install one of its packages (or something that pulls something else
> from GNOME), you can pull *by default* systemd.
>
> However, I'm pretty sure you can configure out systemd without too
> much problem (if you don't use GNOME 3, that is).

I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd. In
fact, I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for
it.

Could you mask sys-apps/systemd and see what emerge prints when trying
to install digikam again? It will tell you which dependency chain
pulls it.

Regards.
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Philip Webb]

130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>> I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
>> & it wants to install  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ;
>>  10  pkgs are KDE & include Marble.  Is my surprise justified ?
> Yes, I think it is.
> Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd ...
> ... I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd.
> I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for it.
> Could you mask sys-apps/systemd
> and see what emerge prints when trying to install digikam again?
> It will tell you which dependency chain pulls it.

It wants  k3b , which requires USE="udisks", which pulls in  11  pkgs.
It also wants  eudev , a  qt  update & various CD stuff.
That starts to add up towards the  54  pkgs, which are still needed.
The whole list it demands is
  USE="plasma udisks script gudev hwdb keymap modutils".

I use some KDE apps, but stay away from the desktop,
so perhaps the requirement for "plasma" is what gets it started.

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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>> I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
>>> & it wants to install  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ;
>>>  10  pkgs are KDE & include Marble.  Is my surprise justified ?
>> Yes, I think it is.
>> Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd ...
>> ... I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd.
>> I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for it.
>> Could you mask sys-apps/systemd
>> and see what emerge prints when trying to install digikam again?
>> It will tell you which dependency chain pulls it.
>
> It wants  k3b , which requires USE="udisks", which pulls in  11  pkgs.
> It also wants  eudev , a  qt  update & various CD stuff.
> That starts to add up towards the  54  pkgs, which are still needed.
> The whole list it demands is
>   USE="plasma udisks script gudev hwdb keymap modutils".
>
> I use some KDE apps, but stay away from the desktop,
> so perhaps the requirement for "plasma" is what gets it started.

No, KDE doesn't depend on systemd (AFAIK). And it's funny that it
wants eudev AND systemd.

Regards.
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Alan McKinnon]

On 06/09/2013 20:07, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>> 130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>>> I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
>>>> & it wants to install  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ;
>>>>  10  pkgs are KDE & include Marble.  Is my surprise justified ?
>>> Yes, I think it is.
>>> Probably gphoto2 pulls GNOME stuff, which in turn pulls systemd ...
>>> ... I checked gphoto2, and I don't think is the one pulling systemd.
>>> I don't see any dependency of digikam as an obvious puller for it.
>>> Could you mask sys-apps/systemd
>>> and see what emerge prints when trying to install digikam again?
>>> It will tell you which dependency chain pulls it.
>>
>> It wants  k3b , which requires USE="udisks", which pulls in  11  pkgs.
>> It also wants  eudev , a  qt  update & various CD stuff.
>> That starts to add up towards the  54  pkgs, which are still needed.
>> The whole list it demands is
>>   USE="plasma udisks script gudev hwdb keymap modutils".
>>
>> I use some KDE apps, but stay away from the desktop,
>> so perhaps the requirement for "plasma" is what gets it started.
> 
> No, KDE doesn't depend on systemd (AFAIK). And it's funny that it
> wants eudev AND systemd.
> 
> Regards.
> 

This config does not pull in systemd (LINGUAS removed for clarity)

$ eix digikam
[I] media-gfx/digikam
     Available versions:  (4) 3.2.0^t (~)3.3.0^t
       {addressbook aqua debug doc gphoto2 +handbook mysql themedesigner
+thumbnails video}
     Installed versions:  3.3.0(4)^t(11:41:42 15/08/2013)(gphoto2
handbook mysql thumbnails video -addressbook -aqua -debug -doc
-themedesigner
     Homepage:            http://www.digikam.org/
     Description:         Digital photo management application for KDE



I think your problem is USE="gudev", which on my system is used by
sys-fs/udev and virtual/udev. Yours will be different (equery hasuse
only lists USE for installed apps).

most likely is that you have a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev and
sys-fs/eudev. Remember all the pain we had to go through a while back to
discover they must match exactly? Very easy to miss that, especially as
portage doesn't help detect mismatches.



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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Philip Webb]

130906 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev & sys-fs/eudev.

I don't have  eudev  installed.

(1) Portage wants  USE="plasma".
(2) kipi-plugins -> k3b -> USE="udisks".
(3) marble -> pykde4-4.11.0 -> USE="script".
(4) udisks -> USE="gudev".
(5) then I see :

  sys-apps/systemd-206-r3::gentoo (Change USE: +kmod)
  virtual/udev-206-r2::gentoo (Change USE: -kmod)

Adding  -kmod  to the USE list gets  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ,
which I've masked in  package.mask  with "sys-fs/systemd".

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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 130906 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev & sys-fs/eudev.
>
> I don't have  eudev  installed.
>
> (1) Portage wants  USE="plasma".
> (2) kipi-plugins -> k3b -> USE="udisks".
> (3) marble -> pykde4-4.11.0 -> USE="script".
> (4) udisks -> USE="gudev".
> (5) then I see :
>
>   sys-apps/systemd-206-r3::gentoo (Change USE: +kmod)
>   virtual/udev-206-r2::gentoo (Change USE: -kmod)
>
> Adding  -kmod  to the USE list gets  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ,
> which I've masked in  package.mask  with "sys-fs/systemd".

sys-apps/systemd, right?

Regards.
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 02:51:19PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote:
> 130906 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev & sys-fs/eudev.
> 
> I don't have  eudev  installed.
> 
> (1) Portage wants  USE="plasma".
> (2) kipi-plugins -> k3b -> USE="udisks".
> (3) marble -> pykde4-4.11.0 -> USE="script".
> (4) udisks -> USE="gudev".

Are you sure about udisks[gudev]? I don't see that flag here. eudev has that
flag, but even with it enabled, emerge -pv eudev does not pull in systemd
here.

A assume you checked the output of emerge --tree?
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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Philip Webb]

130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>> (1) Portage wants  USE="plasma".
>> (2) kipi-plugins -> k3b -> USE="udisks".
>> (3) marble -> pykde4-4.11.0 -> USE="script".
>> (4) udisks -> USE="gudev".
> sys-apps/systemd, right?

Sorry, it's a busy day.  With that correction, I get :

  sys-fs/eudev-1.2-r1::gentoo (Change USE: +hwdb +keymap +modutils)
  
Then  54  pkgs, but  eudev  for  systemd .

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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Alan McKinnon]

On 06/09/2013 20:51, Philip Webb wrote:
> 130906 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> most likely there's a mismatch between USE for virtual/udev & sys-fs/eudev.
> 
> I don't have  eudev  installed.
> 
> (1) Portage wants  USE="plasma".
> (2) kipi-plugins -> k3b -> USE="udisks".
> (3) marble -> pykde4-4.11.0 -> USE="script".
> (4) udisks -> USE="gudev".
> (5) then I see :
> 
>   sys-apps/systemd-206-r3::gentoo (Change USE: +kmod)
>   virtual/udev-206-r2::gentoo (Change USE: -kmod)
> 
> Adding  -kmod  to the USE list gets  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ,
> which I've masked in  package.mask  with "sys-fs/systemd".
> 


It gets more complex by the post...

I just noticed I have UE="gudev" in package.use for udev, and I don't
have systemd. So that's not it.




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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>> (1) Portage wants  USE="plasma".
>>> (2) kipi-plugins -> k3b -> USE="udisks".
>>> (3) marble -> pykde4-4.11.0 -> USE="script".
>>> (4) udisks -> USE="gudev".
>> sys-apps/systemd, right?
>
> Sorry, it's a busy day.  With that correction, I get :
>
>   sys-fs/eudev-1.2-r1::gentoo (Change USE: +hwdb +keymap +modutils)
>
> Then  54  pkgs, but  eudev  for  systemd .

Well, with that at least you escape from the newfangled systemd ;)

If I'm not mistaken, nothing in the tree depends directly on eudev;
it's (supposedly) a drop in replacement for udev if you don't want any
systemd cooties.

Now mask eudev and see what happens.

Regards.
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Walter Dnes]

On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 12:33:47PM -0400, Philip Webb wrote
> I just did 'emerge -pv digikam' for 3.3.0
> & it wants to install  54  pkgs, incl  systemd ;
>  10  pkgs are KDE & include Marble.
> 
> Is my surprise justified ?

  I run with...

USECPU="mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 ssse3"
USEOTHER=" X a52 aac bzip2 cxx dga dri exif ffmpeg flac fortran gallium
gif intel jpeg mng mp3 mpeg ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ogg
opengl openrc png posix readline ssl theora threads tiff tools truetype
vim-syntax vorbis xcomposite webm x264 xpm xv xvid zlib"
USE="-* ${USECPU} ${USEOTHER}"

...and a bare amd64 no-multilib profile.  I tried "emerge -pv digikam"
and had to build up USE one step at a time.  It looks like digikam has
been borged into KDE.  You apparently need to build 90% of KDE,
including marble, symantec-desktop, nepomuk, phonon, an sql database,
etc, etc, etc.  For a dependancy tree, try...

emerge -pvt --unordered-display digikam > tree.txt

...and see what you get.  It's probably a dependancy of a dependancy of
a dependancy, or something like that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] digikam + systemd

[Philip Webb]

130906 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>> (1) Portage wants  USE="plasma".
>> (2) kipi-plugins -> k3b -> USE="udisks".
>> (3) marble -> pykde4-4.11.0 -> USE="script".
>> (4) udisks -> USE="gudev".
> sys-apps/systemd, right?
>> With that correction, I get :
>>   sys-fs/eudev-1.2-r1::gentoo (Change USE: +hwdb +keymap +modutils)
>> Then  54  pkgs, but  eudev  for  systemd .
> If I'm not mistaken, nothing in the tree depends directly on eudev;
> it's (supposedly) a drop in replacement for udev
> if you don't want any systemd cooties.
> Now mask eudev and see what happens.

(1 2 3 4) as above, then  54  pkgs, but no  eudev .
It wants to update to  udev-206-r3
& wants to remove  openrc-0.12  to admit  kmod-15 .

It looks as if it's the kitchen-sink approach suggested by someone else,
ie KDE has added a lot of extra stuff as requirements for Digikam.
It's like Gnome requiring Systemd & Firefox requiring sound libraries,
even if (like me) there's no sound enabled in the kernel or elsewhere.

So the outcome seems to be that I will stick with Fotoxx,
which so far has proved a useful photo-editing pkg.
Its requirements are much simpler (again, my home-made pkg list):

    130606 gnome-base/gnome-common-3.6.0 [for gtkimageview]
    130606 media-libs/exiftool-9.120.0 [for fotoxx]
    130606 media-libs/lensfun-0.2.7 [ ~ : for ufraw]
    130606 media-gfx/dcraw-9.17 [ ~ : for fotoxx]
  W 130606 media-gfx/fotoxx-13.05 [~]
    130606 media-gfx/gtkimageview-1.6.4 [for ufraw]
    130606 media-gfx/ufraw-0.19.2 [for fotoxx]
    130606 sci-libs/cfitsio-3.340 [ ~ : for ufraw]

Further comments welcome ; otherwise, thanx to everyone for the suggestions.

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