From: "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:34:21 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADPrc807hU-duP9On8b1dTW8+so7Bt+Kd=F=1Thmi-SDoZnfRQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130929191128.GB16543@linux1>
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:21:30PM -0500, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
>> > On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
>> >>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
>> >>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't
>> >>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Who else is there to blame? We are continually being told that a
>> >>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of
>> >>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake. This gets
>> >>> patronising really quickly. (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here. I
>> >>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else
>> >>> round here.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it
>> >> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the
>> >> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case.
>> >
>> >
>> > So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 months, or
>> > better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush???
>> >
>> > Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this decision? I
>> > seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to provide a 'paper
>> > trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let others judge their
>> > decisions based on the merits of their arguments, then what does that say
>> > about their true motivations/intentions?
>>
>> The discussion happened in [1], [2], and [3]. And in similar meetings
>> and mailing lists since months ago.
>>
>> [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946
>> [2] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130924.txt
>> [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/88282
>
> You forgot [4].
>
> [4] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/235575
>
> I was actually against it initially. After reading and understanding
> where the linux ecosystem is going, my position evolved to support it.
Thanks for the link, William, and for all the work you have done to
bring Gentoo to modern standards.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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2013-09-27 22:21 [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Bruce Hill
2013-09-27 22:33 ` Dale
2013-09-27 22:39 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-27 22:57 ` Dale
2013-09-27 23:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-27 23:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 0:39 ` David W Noon
2013-09-28 8:30 ` Mick
2013-09-28 8:42 ` Dale
2013-09-28 12:30 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-28 12:49 ` David W Noon
2013-09-28 12:54 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 14:20 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 14:57 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 17:24 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 17:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 18:02 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 18:29 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 11:32 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 13:15 ` Michael Hampicke
2013-09-28 15:06 ` Dale
2013-09-28 16:54 ` Mick
2013-09-28 17:49 ` Michael Hampicke
2013-09-28 18:18 ` Dale
2013-09-28 22:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:49 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 15:24 ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:37 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:25 ` Dale
2013-09-29 18:45 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 21:23 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 21:32 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 23:05 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:35 ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:58 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 23:27 ` Dale
2013-09-30 17:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 17:25 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-30 17:42 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 19:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 20:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 3:36 ` Bruce Hill
2013-10-01 7:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 20:48 ` Dale
2013-09-30 21:04 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-01 1:43 ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 23:34 ` Dale
2013-09-30 8:09 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-29 18:45 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-30 16:38 ` Dan Johansson
2013-09-30 18:09 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-30 20:08 ` Dan Johansson
2013-09-30 20:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 15:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 20:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:30 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 14:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 18:11 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-28 19:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:51 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 17:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 20:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 23:31 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-29 23:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:01 ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2013-09-30 10:22 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 23:28 ` [gentoo-user] " Jonathan Callen
2013-09-30 9:31 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 10:27 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-30 10:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 0:32 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-28 16:01 ` William Hubbs
2013-09-28 17:31 ` Dale
2013-09-28 19:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:15 ` Dale
2013-09-28 22:46 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 23:09 ` Dale
2013-09-29 5:29 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 8:25 ` Mick
2013-09-29 8:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 10:55 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 11:03 ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 11:58 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 15:12 ` Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim (was: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01) Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 15:22 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-29 16:03 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 16:33 ` Dale
2013-09-29 19:42 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 21:41 ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 6:31 ` pk
2013-09-30 7:32 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 19:40 ` pk
2013-09-30 21:05 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30 22:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 8:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 8:44 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 14:44 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 19:22 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 19:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-11 7:54 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 7:50 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-11 11:22 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-09-29 16:41 ` [gentoo-user] " Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2013-09-29 22:47 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 23:21 ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2013-10-01 5:11 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 5:14 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 16:35 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-11 8:28 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 15:50 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 17:54 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 19:30 ` [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Alan McKinnon
2013-10-08 0:03 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2013-10-08 18:11 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-09 4:16 ` William Hubbs
2013-10-10 0:24 ` walt
2013-10-10 14:46 ` William Hubbs
2013-10-10 15:29 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-11 6:59 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2013-09-29 18:46 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 16:58 ` the
2013-09-29 19:16 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 2:23 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2013-09-29 18:41 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:48 ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:43 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 19:54 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:20 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-29 22:00 ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:31 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-29 23:08 ` Dale
2013-09-30 7:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 9:27 ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:40 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-30 7:39 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 19:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-28 20:17 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 21:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-28 22:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 4:48 ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 5:08 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 8:43 ` Dale
2013-09-29 12:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-29 16:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 22:06 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 23:00 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 4:14 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30 4:21 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-30 4:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-30 9:25 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30 8:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 10:32 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-30 10:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 8:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 23:24 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:30 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:24 ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:58 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:21 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 18:32 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 19:11 ` William Hubbs
2013-09-29 19:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés [this message]
2013-09-29 19:41 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-29 23:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 23:52 ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-30 0:02 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 8:36 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 8:42 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 11:27 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 11:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 13:11 ` Peter Humphrey
2013-10-11 13:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-12 2:21 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2013-10-12 5:06 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-12 8:11 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 14:53 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 15:39 ` Dale
2013-09-30 4:55 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2013-09-30 9:24 ` Dale
2013-09-29 18:36 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:16 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-30 10:24 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:35 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-29 17:59 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 20:09 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:35 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-30 10:20 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-28 20:43 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2013-09-28 20:58 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-28 22:36 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 23:23 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-28 23:31 ` pk
2013-09-29 0:01 ` Dale
2013-09-29 0:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 0:33 ` pk
2013-09-29 4:05 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 10:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 15:24 ` pk
2013-09-29 16:11 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 16:36 ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:05 ` pk
2013-09-29 0:08 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 10:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 6:06 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 9:30 ` pk
2013-09-29 10:21 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:55 ` William Hubbs
2013-09-29 19:09 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-09 13:39 ` gottlieb
2013-09-29 20:39 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:51 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 21:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 22:53 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 23:09 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 9:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 17:25 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 19:14 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 22:05 ` Mick
2013-09-30 22:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 12:35 ` PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable - WAS " Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 12:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 13:52 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 14:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 14:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 14:17 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 13:13 ` Dragostin Yanev
2013-10-01 14:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2013-10-01 18:15 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 18:48 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 21:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 22:51 ` Greg Turner
2013-10-01 23:41 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:23 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 15:31 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 18:24 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 20:21 ` Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 15:05 ` [gentoo-user] Re: PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 21:43 ` Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 22:44 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-12-05 11:47 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-03 5:48 ` PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 joost
2013-10-03 8:11 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:04 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 12:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 12:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 12:53 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 15:47 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 16:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-03 9:00 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2013-10-03 12:09 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-02 8:03 ` [gentoo-user] Re: PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable Thanasis
2013-09-30 0:28 ` [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Daniel Campbell
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