From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404C8138E20 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C939FE0B43; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DE3DE0AF1 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id mc6so1472977lab.0 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZeiOURWVXyxSAYUJ8jSDhTShq44aFac9o8fPi8ILnDc=; b=bZchdjEQQH6R3wbFqA+SdR28Id5FXwXjqHSwkDuGvwReyEY5ggU1z1fMG8VyKme8zF QB/yWQIOTgAK4ITRdaImVhcHOjYsoKgmReyGx/YytY87HXAwvnhPZHESYx7uaRNg9Bov owWlPsqTw3cphtuP03YCSyP+3xsfSYY3+wd9D0H0Gwv3jOE+xOeJ4wOVwPKXGflUXJpt i+ksls39EBtpaN9raSk2bo/waTRpRt5Myg5Y+GjG4UWqPxuvg/snqsFWg7sFVwXYKMDa F3lsZOKuiWLmWo4K2kUKmwzKFWt4kZCj5Bi/lVmJwqwOAVDBx14nRteL479OnHABAl4K aHyQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.164.199 with SMTP id ys7mr1569867lab.31.1392911747990; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.170.67 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5300DD51.5060207@libertytrek.org> <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com> <53012691.6040503@googlemail.com> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <5304A5DE.4050905@libertytrek.org> <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:55:47 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 19d82c4e-a353-4ddb-8f8b-dcd63c10849e X-Archives-Hash: 0ca8f2d19a9f90677e5b190a309f6f34 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrot= e: > On 2014-02-20 12:43 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s = wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafl >> wrote: >>> >>> On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen a= s >>>> the default. >>> >>> >>> Ridiculous. Forget about Canek's rant... >>> >>> This is about *choice*. Also, I would argue the *opposite of what Canek >>> is >>> saying in this last rant... > > >> Tanstaafl, can we please not use terms like "rants"? I'm just giving >> my opinion, trying to be respectful and civil to the others >> participants in this thread. I would appreciate if you do the same to >> me. > > > Sorry, Canek, no offense was intended, but if you go back and re-read you= r > 'extremely overly enthusiastic' post (this plus the content is why I > referred to it as a 'rant'), Thanks for the explanation. > while I agree with most everything you said, > your primary point - that it should be the people who *don't* want system= d > doing all of the work - was backwards, and that was what I wanted to poin= t > out. I still believe that a non-systemd profile should be done by the people not wanting to use systemd. But since I now support the systemd profile (since it's trivial) the point is moot. > So, please, don't take it as an insult. In fact you have done a very good > job of patiently spelling out the advantages of systemd, to the point I'm= no > longer afraid of it taking over and devouring the linux world. Thanks. > That said, in reality, there is (or should be) nothing inherently insulti= ng > about a claim that something you (or anyone) says was a 'rant'. Pretty mu= ch > everyone I know who has strong opinions on things like this rants all the > time. Sometimes those rants have more value/substance than others. A good > rant will provide lots of substantive supporting documentation backing up > the claims in the rant. A bad rant just makes a bunch of baseless claims > and/or personal attacks. I don't think I was shouting (which I believe is part of the "rant" definition); but whatever, I now understand you didn't mean any harm and I appreciate it. > Bottom line: since Gentoo's default and primary init system is (and > hopefully will be for a very long time) OpenRC, it is on the systemd folk= s > to do the work to get systemd fully supported. Which has been the case up until now. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico