From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587411381F3 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2822DE0BC3; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDE41E0BB3 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id eh20so2922651lab.33 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TAY1FZOF5jPayYw69WgVODpTPLDPKdIInaccmNregmM=; b=AYzYoVleOP+p8fwMx6ETxGf3x7VSdsEWdA7l46UWqxss0c4V7IYdEatnkSaQsngOps ZAqQF9zN/vOEyPdotsWYnByFS++ym7PektMVlTtFClt0rBKmFl3jeTYiPb34RahldiXA LIIsho/KKTw+ZKy/B8rxDD7ZjE0vtYzIWaFm+P1DfJe3ITqu+Bk0hY7cQ9Mbz0FCN2hx ayl2tMk3r+wAgZYGylYVDZ8Wp4ARz08wNH1YK1WxMgYc8GBXsLdDCem+MuV9kVHIphKr DUsHnicN+PSy6+aMzzl4mnFuYaougIBBlrz8G+oHNhJyuWSMTlMgt9uffEXcNR8CjWOl 9dnw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.0.173 with SMTP id 13mr9513729lbf.8.1376880959136; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.2 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:55:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 21:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2FuZWsgUGVsw6FleiBWYWxkw6lz?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: d8583d43-ab03-4fb5-b5ad-dd598afdcc4d X-Archives-Hash: 5c69f164db004bc6a4bdb52ea28dba9f On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 4:54 PM, pk wrote: > On 2013-08-18 23:08, Mick wrote: > >> I honestly cannot understand why we/Gentoo are allowing the RHL >> monolithic development philosophy to break what we have. Is >> Poettering the only developer available to the Linux world? Are >> RHL dictating what path Debian and its cousin distros should >> follow? > > Problem is that Linux is dependent on udev and udev is in the hands of > Kay Sievers which also develops systemd together with Lennart > Poettering which in turn used to be a Gnome developer... With that > said, what I cannot understand is why people advocating systemd (and > the kitchen-and-sink model) are using Gentoo in the first place. Probably for exactly the same reason you or anyone else uses Gentoo; USE flags, portage, you can customize at your hearts content... > Are > they just trying to make the rest of the Linux distro landscape as > miserable as Fedora? Why don't they stay with Fedora instead of trying > to turn Gentoo into Fedora? I've never used Fedora. I used RedHay back in the day of RedHat 4.2 (it was my very first use of Linux in 1996), then moved to Mandrake (remember Mandrake?), then Gentoo in 2003. I haven't used any other distro since then. I want Gentoo to keep being the best possible Linux (I *really* don't care if it works in *BSD, Solaris, or Windows). Believe it or not, I'm pretty sure that for Gentoo to keep being the best possible Linux, it has to use systemd. You don't have to agree with that, of course. But please understand that I only support systemd in Gentoo, because I love Gentoo. And, putting aside systemd and getting back on topic to the council's decision of (eventually) not supporting separated /usr without an initramfs; have you ever stopped to consider that, perhaps, that's the best *technical* decision? (*gasp*) When you have almost all distributions converging on that, and even *the OpenRC maintainer* (which is the one pushing this, BTW, not the systemd guys) supporting that decision, don't you think that perhaps, just *perhaps*, everybody screaming about the sky falling (which, BTW, they are certainly noisy, but I really don't think are that many) are overreacting and even (*gasp* again) wrong? Just something to think about it. Regards. --=20 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Computaci=C3=B3n Universidad Nacional Aut=C3=B3noma de M=C3=A9xico