[gentoo-user] SMTP Relay

[gentoo-user] SMTP Relay

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Hi everyone, this is my first time posting for help, hope someone will get
it.
I want to use an SMTP Relay, like the one for Microsoft Exchange. I'm
looking for some Free SMTP Relay, Now I'm trying to get it done with
postmarkapp.com, but I'm a little bit confused...

I Already have my own server and I'm using Port25 MTA to monitor my emails.
So how can I configure my MTA with the SMTP relay please?
Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not really sure of what I just said
either, it's just what I undesrtood

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Re: [gentoo-user] SMTP Relay

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Auto Protection Info
<papezulma@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone, this is my first time posting for help, hope someone will get
> it.
> I want to use an SMTP Relay, like the one for Microsoft Exchange. I'm
> looking for some Free SMTP Relay, Now I'm trying to get it done with
> postmarkapp.com, but I'm a little bit confused...
>
> I Already have my own server and I'm using Port25 MTA to monitor my emails.
> So how can I configure my MTA with the SMTP relay please?
> Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not really sure of what I just said
> either, it's just what I undesrtood

Do you want to relay stuff through your host, or have your outbound
mail from that MTA be relayed through some other host?  By "Free SMTP
Relay" do you mean free software (like Postfix), or do you mean free
service?

If you want a free SMTP relay service, well, good luck with that, at
least if you want anybody to actually receive your mail.  Spam has
basically ensured that any such relays get blocked eveywhere.

Now, you can certainly find cheap SMTP relays, just not free ones.
I'm using Amazon SES for my outbound Postfix mail.  There are a ton of
services out there and the most economical option probably depends on
your volume, and also what you're doing.  Amazon isn't really
list-friendly as they require the From to be something you own (so no
bouncing).

If you're trying to run a relay that's pretty straightforward, but you
need to run it on an IP that has a good reputation or nobody will
actually get your email.  You're going to end up paying for that IP
one way or another.

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Rich

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I want to have my outbound mail from that MTA be relayed through some other
host.

I'm only looking for a free SMTP relay service, I am now using
postmarkapp.com and looks like it can do the job for free. I am still
working on how I can do it exactly, but I'm on the right way.
I will also try with Amazon SES, but if it can first offer a free trial it
would be great, that's what i'm looking for, just some smtp relay services
with free trial.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Auto Protection Info
> <papezulma@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone, this is my first time posting for help, hope someone will
> get
> > it.
> > I want to use an SMTP Relay, like the one for Microsoft Exchange. I'm
> > looking for some Free SMTP Relay, Now I'm trying to get it done with
> > postmarkapp.com, but I'm a little bit confused...
> >
> > I Already have my own server and I'm using Port25 MTA to monitor my
> emails.
> > So how can I configure my MTA with the SMTP relay please?
> > Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not really sure of what I just
> said
> > either, it's just what I undesrtood
>
> Do you want to relay stuff through your host, or have your outbound
> mail from that MTA be relayed through some other host?  By "Free SMTP
> Relay" do you mean free software (like Postfix), or do you mean free
> service?
>
> If you want a free SMTP relay service, well, good luck with that, at
> least if you want anybody to actually receive your mail.  Spam has
> basically ensured that any such relays get blocked eveywhere.
>
> Now, you can certainly find cheap SMTP relays, just not free ones.
> I'm using Amazon SES for my outbound Postfix mail.  There are a ton of
> services out there and the most economical option probably depends on
> your volume, and also what you're doing.  Amazon isn't really
> list-friendly as they require the From to be something you own (so no
> bouncing).
>
> If you're trying to run a relay that's pretty straightforward, but you
> need to run it on an IP that has a good reputation or nobody will
> actually get your email.  You're going to end up paying for that IP
> one way or another.
>
> --
> Rich
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] SMTP Relay

[J. Roeleveld]

On November 12, 2016 10:10:38 PM GMT+01:00, Auto Protection Info <papezulma@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi everyone, this is my first time posting for help, hope someone will
>get
>it.
>I want to use an SMTP Relay, like the one for Microsoft Exchange. I'm
>looking for some Free SMTP Relay, Now I'm trying to get it done with
>postmarkapp.com, but I'm a little bit confused...
>
>I Already have my own server and I'm using Port25 MTA to monitor my
>emails.
>So how can I configure my MTA with the SMTP relay please?
>Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not really sure of what I just
>said
>either, it's just what I undesrtood

That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of emails a day?

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Re: [gentoo-user] SMTP Relay

[J. Roeleveld]

On November 13, 2016 8:35:53 AM GMT+01:00, "J. Roeleveld" <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
>On November 12, 2016 10:10:38 PM GMT+01:00, Auto Protection Info
><papezulma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Hi everyone, this is my first time posting for help, hope someone will
>>get
>>it.
>>I want to use an SMTP Relay, like the one for Microsoft Exchange. I'm
>>looking for some Free SMTP Relay, Now I'm trying to get it done with
>>postmarkapp.com, but I'm a little bit confused...
>>
>>I Already have my own server and I'm using Port25 MTA to monitor my
>>emails.
>>So how can I configure my MTA with the SMTP relay please?
>>Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not really sure of what I just
>>said
>>either, it's just what I undesrtood
>
>That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of emails
>a day?
>
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>Joost

And you might want to check the API page there. You're supposed to hook it into your website.

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>That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of emails

No, but around 2000 emails a day maybe as maximum.

I managed to configure correctly the relay, does anyone have a suggestion
for a free SMTP relay service please?


Thanks a lot for all the answers.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 7:50 AM, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:

> On November 13, 2016 8:35:53 AM GMT+01:00, "J. Roeleveld" <
> joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> >On November 12, 2016 10:10:38 PM GMT+01:00, Auto Protection Info
> ><papezulma@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>Hi everyone, this is my first time posting for help, hope someone will
> >>get
> >>it.
> >>I want to use an SMTP Relay, like the one for Microsoft Exchange. I'm
> >>looking for some Free SMTP Relay, Now I'm trying to get it done with
> >>postmarkapp.com, but I'm a little bit confused...
> >>
> >>I Already have my own server and I'm using Port25 MTA to monitor my
> >>emails.
> >>So how can I configure my MTA with the SMTP relay please?
> >>Correct me if I'm wrong somewhere, I'm not really sure of what I just
> >>said
> >>either, it's just what I undesrtood
> >
> >That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of emails
> >a day?
> >
> >--
> >Joost
>
> And you might want to check the API page there. You're supposed to hook it
> into your website.
>
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> Joost
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] SMTP Relay

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Auto Protection Info
<papezulma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of emails
>
> No, but around 2000 emails a day maybe as maximum.
>
> I managed to configure correctly the relay, does anyone have a suggestion
> for a free SMTP relay service please?
>

Best of luck with that, but I'd be shocked if one exists.

Any SMTP relay that can actually get mail delivered to anybody needs
to ensure that their service isn't used to send spam, or they'll
quickly find that they can't get mail delivered to anybody.

If it is really easy to sign up with no identification and the service
is free/etc, then it is going to be almost impossible to keep spammers
from abusing the service.

If somebody is offering a free SMTP relay service I'd be surprised if
it has a poor reputation and the reality is that your mail is all
ending up in spam folders, if it gets delivered at all.

There are tons of services that are relatively inexpensive.  They're
all going to make you pay by credit card and such so that it isn't
trivial to just burn through accounts.  They'll have a TOS they're
going to hold you to as well.

I found Amazon SES really easy to set up, and it can work just fine as
an SMTP relay, but with the caveat that they only want you sending
mail "From" your own domains (and they're going to check that you
control those domains).  They also have some limits on volume that you
need to contact them to raise.  I have no idea what that involves.  I
suspect it mostly involves somebody just making sure you seem to run
some kind of legit service.

Alas, all of this stuff is the price of spam.  If somebody delivering
mail doesn't keep their service clear of spam they're going to end up
being blacklisted by the big service providers and they'll quickly go
out of business.  And that is why SMTP relay is generally not free.

As long as you're legit it should be easy to set something up, just
don't expect to do it for free, and obviously don't expect to be able
to use it for spam...

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Rich

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You explained it all Rich, thanks. I'm not using it for spam, the idea was
to make it easier for me to contact all my students at a time, so I think
this is not considered as spamming, but anyway, I'll check for Amazon
service see if it can do the job correctly and easily.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Auto Protection Info
> <papezulma@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of emails
> >
> > No, but around 2000 emails a day maybe as maximum.
> >
> > I managed to configure correctly the relay, does anyone have a suggestion
> > for a free SMTP relay service please?
> >
>
> Best of luck with that, but I'd be shocked if one exists.
>
> Any SMTP relay that can actually get mail delivered to anybody needs
> to ensure that their service isn't used to send spam, or they'll
> quickly find that they can't get mail delivered to anybody.
>
> If it is really easy to sign up with no identification and the service
> is free/etc, then it is going to be almost impossible to keep spammers
> from abusing the service.
>
> If somebody is offering a free SMTP relay service I'd be surprised if
> it has a poor reputation and the reality is that your mail is all
> ending up in spam folders, if it gets delivered at all.
>
> There are tons of services that are relatively inexpensive.  They're
> all going to make you pay by credit card and such so that it isn't
> trivial to just burn through accounts.  They'll have a TOS they're
> going to hold you to as well.
>
> I found Amazon SES really easy to set up, and it can work just fine as
> an SMTP relay, but with the caveat that they only want you sending
> mail "From" your own domains (and they're going to check that you
> control those domains).  They also have some limits on volume that you
> need to contact them to raise.  I have no idea what that involves.  I
> suspect it mostly involves somebody just making sure you seem to run
> some kind of legit service.
>
> Alas, all of this stuff is the price of spam.  If somebody delivering
> mail doesn't keep their service clear of spam they're going to end up
> being blacklisted by the big service providers and they'll quickly go
> out of business.  And that is why SMTP relay is generally not free.
>
> As long as you're legit it should be easy to set something up, just
> don't expect to do it for free, and obviously don't expect to be able
> to use it for spam...
>
> --
> Rich
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] SMTP Relay

[Alarig Le Lay]

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On Mon Nov 14 12:16:01 2016, Auto Protection Info wrote:
> You explained it all Rich, thanks. I'm not using it for spam, the idea was
> to make it easier for me to contact all my students at a time, so I think
> this is not considered as spamming, but anyway, I'll check for Amazon
> service see if it can do the job correctly and easily.

The problem is not you, the problem is everybody that uses this relay.
The reputation id made on IP or ranges, not on a particular sender.
eg. https://www.senderbase.org/lookup/?searchBy=ipaddress&searchString=89.234.186.24

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