From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDFC61395E2 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26E5AE09B2; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-f66.google.com (mail-it0-f66.google.com [209.85.214.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA372E00B3 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:16:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-f66.google.com with SMTP id c20so11274316itb.0 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 04:16:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=37Kx1JhdQ2ACn9VXx5xjOJ9n7MYNz9rAXrJBt3sDCFA=; b=Ri164rzSe7g+/HQ433H+MwJ3k3VgFSgx2ylUM4BLQ9X3VSLERFCS18CASDNt9ilYEJ Ot+Ox6DlkWeSvDQezMy1OaUjnyASz0m7UW6Tc6DxY8oHkbn4zoIN04OD1YvTReJdvfZX PxAnkDW6lqOh4CvHtI3geAK/UerWuzb4TiDXccQfKSh5nakkh4UEXNwkMigvIYAFeNcp LP4GPOde/bA1svh4fe3rIbgwmiWaJtrHJ05XaOD/eM7QAqmISQyKsfa6Z87rx6LtZDvP lYMQlT6CjM+SYIKrbDlMbuyw8m+Vq9thvqWubb8hB/3cxJ8O90dFrKr2dae6TPhCyGNW d3Cg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=37Kx1JhdQ2ACn9VXx5xjOJ9n7MYNz9rAXrJBt3sDCFA=; b=IZmDKiIl/WPvIYJxgNPTzcXYLqQ5vFJtyKTxSF404/3GUcO+s7MX1eqIxoCyJZnXI1 iEnFXYtw3ERqBLuXtJFtlGG+bJokncTKhrQQkNrm4LrmlxFdCkoZ+6Ml+o1Wv0LbXP9A uwbeku09YYmMbZu117ze2pCSAM8UfbQrDgS06T5ZX2pf6y9ye0jLmNTxsF193Acx4J2l /7YtnnlcuGrq2U94IWkW+nSc5hrjFavDcgY8DnRc2eLHyhPgUXTEJ92gF6ecf9GrVrD4 MXmkU4ODvNBHhNYjaGddsQLlfGbGWNmJ9pUpUYUQaPP+X/3EgnNMbq4c2iCc+vm0ZjtU ek9w== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvdA8BAqLU08xLzp6tvXB1azQeE1OD5vQXhSF6e07G0ba8uzJhpRO0hhK2H3kkKvDa6mrLu+c78uNlBTLQ== X-Received: by 10.107.164.202 with SMTP id d71mr26858764ioj.185.1479125761746; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 04:16:01 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.153.227 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 04:16:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <04AEC939-0265-4469-9CB2-E3591BEE60DB@antarean.org> From: Auto Protection Info Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:16:01 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] SMTP Relay To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142189c9b6d8b054141cdcf X-Archives-Salt: 10cb3cc0-32ec-4d60-be17-fd1c9b985fd9 X-Archives-Hash: d5c06dff3655d8da4050cbf82ac517e5 --001a1142189c9b6d8b054141cdcf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You explained it all Rich, thanks. I'm not using it for spam, the idea was to make it easier for me to contact all my students at a time, so I think this is not considered as spamming, but anyway, I'll check for Amazon service see if it can do the job correctly and easily. On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Auto Protection Info > wrote: > >>That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of emails > > > > No, but around 2000 emails a day maybe as maximum. > > > > I managed to configure correctly the relay, does anyone have a suggestion > > for a free SMTP relay service please? > > > > Best of luck with that, but I'd be shocked if one exists. > > Any SMTP relay that can actually get mail delivered to anybody needs > to ensure that their service isn't used to send spam, or they'll > quickly find that they can't get mail delivered to anybody. > > If it is really easy to sign up with no identification and the service > is free/etc, then it is going to be almost impossible to keep spammers > from abusing the service. > > If somebody is offering a free SMTP relay service I'd be surprised if > it has a poor reputation and the reality is that your mail is all > ending up in spam folders, if it gets delivered at all. > > There are tons of services that are relatively inexpensive. They're > all going to make you pay by credit card and such so that it isn't > trivial to just burn through accounts. They'll have a TOS they're > going to hold you to as well. > > I found Amazon SES really easy to set up, and it can work just fine as > an SMTP relay, but with the caveat that they only want you sending > mail "From" your own domains (and they're going to check that you > control those domains). They also have some limits on volume that you > need to contact them to raise. I have no idea what that involves. I > suspect it mostly involves somebody just making sure you seem to run > some kind of legit service. > > Alas, all of this stuff is the price of spam. If somebody delivering > mail doesn't keep their service clear of spam they're going to end up > being blacklisted by the big service providers and they'll quickly go > out of business. And that is why SMTP relay is generally not free. > > As long as you're legit it should be easy to set something up, just > don't expect to do it for free, and obviously don't expect to be able > to use it for spam... > > -- > Rich > > --001a1142189c9b6d8b054141cdcf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You explained it all Rich, thanks. I'm not using it fo= r spam, the idea was to make it easier for me to contact all my students at= a time, so I think this is not considered as spamming, but anyway, I'l= l check for Amazon service see if it can do the job correctly and easily.

On Mon, N= ov 14, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrot= e:
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Auto= Protection Info
<papezulma@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>>That looks like a mass mailer. Do you need to send thousands of ema= ils
>
> No, but around 2000 emails a day maybe as maximum.
>
> I managed to configure correctly the relay, does anyone have a suggest= ion
> for a free SMTP relay service please?
>

Best of luck with that, but I'd be shocked if one exists.

Any SMTP relay that can actually get mail delivered to anybody needs
to ensure that their service isn't used to send spam, or they'll quickly find that they can't get mail delivered to anybody.

If it is really easy to sign up with no identification and the service
is free/etc, then it is going to be almost impossible to keep spammers
from abusing the service.

If somebody is offering a free SMTP relay service I'd be surprised if it has a poor reputation and the reality is that your mail is all
ending up in spam folders, if it gets delivered at all.

There are tons of services that are relatively inexpensive.=C2=A0 They'= re
all going to make you pay by credit card and such so that it isn't
trivial to just burn through accounts.=C2=A0 They'll have a TOS they= 9;re
going to hold you to as well.

I found Amazon SES really easy to set up, and it can work just fine as
an SMTP relay, but with the caveat that they only want you sending
mail "From" your own domains (and they're going to check that= you
control those domains).=C2=A0 They also have some limits on volume that you=
need to contact them to raise.=C2=A0 I have no idea what that involves.=C2= =A0 I
suspect it mostly involves somebody just making sure you seem to run
some kind of legit service.

Alas, all of this stuff is the price of spam.=C2=A0 If somebody delivering<= br> mail doesn't keep their service clear of spam they're going to end = up
being blacklisted by the big service providers and they'll quickly go out of business.=C2=A0 And that is why SMTP relay is generally not free.
As long as you're legit it should be easy to set something up, just
don't expect to do it for free, and obviously don't expect to be ab= le
to use it for spam...

--
Rich


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