From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE471384C0 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 645AC14316; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f173.google.com (mail-ig0-f173.google.com [209.85.213.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51ED81419F for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igui7 with SMTP id i7so24117140igu.1 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Fd0zZqAR4fyMrXNn2SYV11wQi7o3Iy2H3/9GIi+CflE=; b=StqjP7rpUIcTkpkdnS3eazmbgLKhEzMCMBX5kJ8vNjGjojWsEF5L629GX683JIDgb0 5cBpU03bP4PyrDaSh0vuhG861XNy7Vkj4N+pIru9Ws//UZrOVslFsVgnuOdeeFFuJoN0 eLSyuWf5cE3zgXEwlG8Bq/ows0i22mWnjYsDtEz1+mAolPYuQIzXn4KNkFRtopOq2ZM3 EseKXTwJOMN5G/acM8mpdo24K3xcyszEiJfI+eROMOm5ylblK1uSSwzwuqYYLWy5vY9U z1jt/hq0+Tj9iLpzg41BhSjRceCjfgDsX/QHbY7CFl6cpIFAlfLqxQbuVOKbVjuFCms2 GFtw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnRtAr+fEfRSqUds+S/cVLwktHcws/gmSgfLAyU/CRFDV/r3iOAvwu+x/xFvwaeRqcUr+ER Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.20.8 with SMTP id j8mr4789441ige.36.1440793392446; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.147.164 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.147.164 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:23:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50376531.11846538.1440694215112.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <55DE3D41.1050301@comcast.net> <50376531.11846538.1440694215112.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1 From: "Terry Z." To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd752665a1af1051e64da61 X-Archives-Salt: 7ef3613d-81f9-4c7a-a283-059d39214fa4 X-Archives-Hash: f64dab1d5cfcd87408c4dc4bcf8a6c67 --047d7bd752665a1af1051e64da61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Aug 27, 2015 6:50 PM, wrote: > > > > ________________________________ > >It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Installing on a partition is > >simply not supported. > > When a needed functionality is no longer working it is a bug. To have grub installing itself on the MBR when the users doesn't it to is unacceptable because it wipes out the part that loads the bootloader so booting to other operating systems (OS/2, PC Dos, Ecomstation, etc) is no longer possible with a nice bootloader, we are then stuck with grub which is a pain in the ass to setup. > Or simply an unsupported / deprecated feature. > I want to use grub only for the current Linux that I boot on. So try to do it, or fork it and fix it yourself? The freedom is there. > > The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of the PC. Who those morons think they are to tell me what I should use to boot Operating systems on my computer? I think you have this backwards. Who are you to demand others make software behave the way you want? The only person telling you what you can use to boot your machine is your own requirements. Since you are so sure what the vision of this software should be, why don't you whip up a lull request with the code to do what you want it to do? You hold the power. Do something with it. > > Michel > > --047d7bd752665a1af1051e64da61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Aug 27, 2015 6:50 PM, <mcatud= al@comcast.net> wrote:
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>
>
> ________________________________
> >It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Install= ing on a partition is
> >simply not supported.
>
> When a needed functionality is no longer working it is a bug. To have = grub installing itself on the MBR when the users doesn't it to is unacc= eptable because it wipes out the part that loads the bootloader so booting = to other operating systems (OS/2, PC Dos, Ecomstation, etc) is no longer po= ssible with a nice bootloader, we are then stuck with grub which is a pain = in the ass to setup.
>

Or simply an unsupported / deprecated feature.

> I want to use grub only for the current Linux that I bo= ot on.

So try to do it, or fork it and fix it yourself? The freedom= is there.

>
> The maintainers of grub are basically acting like dictators much like = Microsoft. The whole point of using Linux was to have complete control of t= he PC. Who those morons think they are to tell me what I should use to boot= Operating systems on my computer?

I think you have this backwards. Who are you to demand other= s make software behave the way you want? The only person telling you what y= ou can use to boot your machine is your own requirements.

Since you are so sure what the vision of this software shoul= d be, why don't you whip up a lull request with the code to do what you= want it to do?

You hold the power. Do something with it.
>
> Michel
>
>

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