From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9321384C0 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46F1CE086B; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f181.google.com (mail-io0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26CB1E0851 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iofe124 with SMTP id e124so72094595iof.1 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fYH+sU3HUuv2lehCqV50QZHDLkAJtEzSFQLLdB5Qy+A=; b=iUTyKmFgyrnX01kR0j4TieGkicnUBBEuTZ22GHN0ini1P0a1WyYShS9zg4BoE8O8A/ czrG5G6jzMb2rlbjCWjF8a6c3fKmw8MPL41DpA4uW0WIgpfjBf99YAygmZTvTBxsMpqq 7d5MnulLYyh9oa98VwZYlpCeA5y+fFHa7ZV8/52WE5gm8p9Bz8Tr9YS03dP+hNWS3Da0 1dey0CF14Ido2cv9xpH0lXz0zeBSvW+EQWK1LS4mp/+AAIIsK515Ng8qYKv1XxsWHUqC ysHPehhthoKuw8sTgyaJYURKSrhEzGk5hxEr6mhy0oxQKbCWljjrlFtBXcIKEx0Gx9ds bY3g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnJarBAgyWQ1BpInvUcvlGk5qoegCdos1ymGGg4mdcQ0dzklHHl3XtQswu/AX2zoq7zSh5O Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.46.154 with SMTP id u26mr24920165iou.124.1440957367172; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.147.164 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.147.164 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Aug 2015 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55E33929.1090407@comcast.net> References: <20150830040443.GA1081@ca.inter.net> <8354413.MkAUdyVTWU@wstn> <55E33929.1090407@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:56:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] system uptime From: "Terry Z." To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ac20801db0d051e8b0870 X-Archives-Salt: 4ec182cd-df8b-412f-aa81-9533b9e2eda2 X-Archives-Hash: 4cb59904acfd4a2d611623e3c6012214 --001a113ac20801db0d051e8b0870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I personally find it beneficial to backup to an online source locally or in an online storage service (as long as encryption incurs etc). DVD are indeed limited in life. You are still better off with other offline storage mediums such as an external hdd or tape indeed. I've found crashplans unlimited storage 10 machine online backup solution to be an excellent solution for desktop machines where connectivity is not guaranteed for cronnd rsyncs etc. Of course it relies on running a fat jar , but it works. As to uptime, I keep my windows desktops machine online more than my linux desktops just due to how frequent kernel updates occur. On Aug 30, 2015 7:11 PM, "Michel Catudal" wrote: > Le 2015-08-30 11:56, Peter Humphrey a =C3=A9crit : > >> On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote: >> >>> How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots= ? >>> How long between power off/on's ? >>> >>> I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep, >>> then restarting after I've woken & got going again myself. >>> However recently, I've run into delays getting my router >>> (only 1 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my ISP's >>> server, >>> which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works. >>> As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update >>> -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything -- >>> & not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off >>> whenever I'm away from the machine for >=3D 1 hr (approx). >>> >>> Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ? >>> >> No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force >> approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to >> make a >> backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BOI= NC >> projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and >> once >> a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/.bu/ . >> >> I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution to >> what >> I think is a good cause. >> >> Backups are vital for a server in company. At work we do a backup every > day. At home, it depends how important your stuff is. For pictures you > should always copy them on DVD. I regularly backup pictures for people wh= o > have ususable windows systems, for them the pictures are the most importa= nt > stuff but they do not back them up. > > Personally I don't like to do regular backups because that involves too > many DVDs. I probably should do my backups more often. > I do have 3 2TB hard disks with important data copied on each for > redudancy. I also have some backups on a 500G driver which is not powered > usually. I also make some backup on DVDs sometimes. > Anything that is of extreme importance I have in several DVDs which I mak= e > copies of every few months. I remembered that in the early days of CD tha= t > their life was rather limited and am not taking chances on DVD even thoug= h > I think the technology is a lot better. > > -- > For Linux Software visit > http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal > http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/ > > > --001a113ac20801db0d051e8b0870 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I personally find it beneficial to backup to an online sourc= e locally or in an online storage service (as long as encryption incurs etc= ).

DVD are indeed limited in life.=C2=A0 You are still better o= ff with other offline storage mediums such as an external hdd or tape indee= d.

I've found crashplans unlimited storage 10 machine onlin= e backup solution to be an excellent solution for desktop machines where co= nnectivity is not guaranteed for cronnd rsyncs etc. Of course it relies on = running a fat jar , but it works.

As to uptime, I keep my windows desktops machine online more= than my linux desktops just due to how frequent kernel updates occur.

On Aug 30, 2015 7:11 PM, "Michel Catudal&qu= ot; <mcatudal@comcast.net>= ; wrote:
Le 2015-08-= 30 11:56, Peter Humphrey a =C3=A9crit :
On Sunday 30 August 2015 00:04:43 Philip Webb wrote:
How long do desktop users typically leave their systems between reboots ? How long between power off/on's ?

I've long been in the habit of switching everything off while I sleep,<= br> then restarting after I've woken & got going again myself.
However recently, I've run into delays getting my router
(only=C2=A0 1=C2=A0 device attached) to shake hands successfully with my IS= P's server,
which have been requiring several power off/on's before it works.
As a result, I've started rebooting only after my weekly system update<= br> -- it means I get to use the new versions of everything --
& not powering off at all ; the monitor + Xscreensaver are off
whenever I'm away from the machine for=C2=A0 >=3D 1 hr=C2=A0 (approx= ).

Are there any pro's/con's I sb aware of ?
No-one has yet mentioned taking backups. I'm still using a brute-force<= br> approach, in which I shut down each of my two machines once a week to make = a
backup to external disk. Otherwise they're on 24 hours a day running BO= INC
projects. On the desktop PC kmail makes a daily archive of messages, and on= ce
a day a cron job copies my user directory to /home/<me>.bu/ .

I know it burns energy but I'm prepared to make my small contribution t= o what
I think is a good cause.

Backups are vital for a server in company. At work we do a backup every day= . At home, it depends how important your stuff is. For pictures you should = always copy them on DVD. I regularly backup pictures for people who have us= usable windows systems, for them the pictures are the most important stuff = but they do not back them up.

Personally I don't like to do regular backups because that involves too= many DVDs. I probably should do my backups more often.
I do have 3 2TB hard disks with important data copied on each for redudancy= . I also have some backups on a 500G driver which is not powered usually. I= also make some backup on DVDs sometimes.
Anything that is of extreme importance I have in several DVDs which I make = copies of every few months. I remembered that in the early days of CD that = their life was rather limited and am not taking chances on DVD even though = I think the technology is a lot better.

--
For Linux Software visit
http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal
http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/


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