From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D611384C0 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA8791425D; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f194.google.com (mail-ig0-f194.google.com [209.85.213.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 959EC141F7 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igcrd18 with SMTP id rd18so1538011igc.3 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CpEMFC86AC0qSNf9CN0JNr8vsBFw1EfwM52ZdrpCOgA=; b=jy2uG95Uzb1lqXK2Xdi6ZY73w9tPJ0vE7v4GqxQLknrZ6Wz2GwcyZeax2dH+AjhfLR Wwq0nIBo4J7XfuJJIzAAk4CJ8IJLozRz4IBxaitdBwuBMoTJfPfeZQ9QyS88i6UAfZd4 w5i+yAhk5rOwRGfajc+6+8oOzrTxoApgBg50F8bpXEBbv1QKQXAizdzaGayuzMWQ56w1 1kAe58j0EQD0uK8HjFKrtlax8Nvrho98gWNgixyz8BLFE7DF3TR1Rsl+1Otv0W15orER qpG0/R1UX67o0hLJkR2w9804cinMG9OxeTnv4XuBNOcxwYeq0hMNGhD7+TLpxEd2VNYC N3Lg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnGbsLXMZxFtLB+onMA913Had01Nsil38pHYDKqH5tEwjw/XhEG9mJnVLaGIoSi9klKaboo Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.110.72 with SMTP id hy8mr7562897igb.36.1440867211495; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.147.164 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.147.164 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55E1DB22.50608@comcast.net> References: <55DE3D41.1050301@comcast.net> <55E1DB22.50608@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub1: Cant ? Re: keeping grub 1 From: "Terry Z." To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011849d44f6317051e760a54 X-Archives-Salt: 596a1d55-4260-4888-9993-31a403cc3de7 X-Archives-Hash: 23fde51b82d9a2aaedc0f19d7f5e9488 --089e011849d44f6317051e760a54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So please contribute to the grub2 repo a pull request that meets your requirements rather than complain about it. You are also free to maintain any package you want in a custom overlay in gentoo that packages those requirements. Free software is about preventing lock in and empowering the user. You have that power nor are you locked in. So use it. You are quickly making yourself to be an example of the type of user that the free software community does NOT recognize or support. You can make grub2 do whatever you want. So please do or ask for help in that endeavor, not complaining about mythical Microsoft things. On Aug 29, 2015 6:17 PM, "Michel Catudal" wrote: > Le 2015-08-28 07:24, Tom H a =C3=A9crit : > >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards >> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-27, Mike Gilbert wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a >>>>> partition >>>>> and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on the MBR >>>>> which is >>>>> unacceptable. >>>>> >>>> It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Installing on a partition is >>>> simply not supported. >>>> >>> So, grub2 refuses to share power and cooperate with another bootloader. >>> Bill Gates would be pround. >>> >>> For those of us with multiple Linux installations on a disk, that's a >>> pretty big reason to stick with grub-legacy. >>> >> You can boot multiple installations via grub2 with os-prober. >> >> > You have to be able to boot the os that grub is installed on to be able t= o > fix booting issues. If the OS that has control of grub2 is wacked you are > screwed. > At least with a bootloader that independant of any operating system and > with a nice graphic interface it is a piece of cake to fix things since y= ou > do not ever lose your bootloader unless you let grub write on the MBR or = on > your bootloader partition. > > I know that you can boot on grub if it is not wiped but the interface is > not friendly at all and if you do not remember the syntax you are screwed= . > Until grub becomes a nice real bootloader with a friendly user interface = it > cannot be allowed to be the sole controller of booting. > > Michel > > -- > For Linux Software visit > http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal > http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/ > > > --089e011849d44f6317051e760a54 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So please contribute to the grub2 repo a pull request that m= eets your requirements rather than complain about it. You are also free to = maintain any package you want in a custom overlay in gentoo that packages t= hose requirements. Free software is about preventing lock in and empowering= the user. You have that power nor are you locked in. So use it.

You are quickly making yourself to be an=C2=A0 example of th= e type of user that the free software community does NOT recognize or suppo= rt.

You can make grub2 do whatever you want. So please do or ask= for help in that endeavor, not complaining about mythical Microsoft things= .

On Aug 29, 2015 6:17 PM, "Michel Catudal&qu= ot; <mcatudal@comcast.net>= ; wrote:
Le 2015-08-= 28 07:24, Tom H a =C3=A9crit :
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Grant Edwards
<grant.b.= edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2015-08-27, Mike Gilbert <floppym@gentoo.org> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:27 PM, Michel Catudal <mcatudal@comcast.net> wrote:
I've had serious problems in the past getting to to install on a partit= ion
and gave up. Is that bug fixed? It insists on installing on the MBR which i= s
unacceptable.
It's not a bug, and it won't be "fixed". Installing on a = partition is
simply not supported.
So, grub2 refuses to share power and cooperate with another bootloader.
Bill Gates would be pround.

For those of us with multiple Linux installations on a disk, that's a pretty big reason to stick with grub-legacy.
You can boot multiple installations via grub2 with os-prober.


You have to be able to boot the os that grub is installed on to be able to = fix booting issues. If the OS that has control of grub2 is wacked you are s= crewed.
At least with a bootloader that independant of any operating system and wit= h a nice graphic interface it is a piece of cake to fix things since you do= not ever lose your bootloader unless you let grub write on the MBR or on y= our bootloader partition.

I know that you can boot on grub if it is not wiped but the interface is no= t friendly at all and if you do not remember the syntax you are screwed. Un= til grub becomes a nice real bootloader with a friendly user interface it c= annot be allowed to be the sole controller of booting.

Michel

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For Linux Software visit
http://home.comcast.net/~mcatudal
http://sourceforge.net/projects/suzielinux/


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