[gentoo-user] gimp help not available, even with USE doc

[gentoo-user] gimp help not available, even with USE doc

[n952162]

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After emerging gimp, I tried to get help (after re-emerging with the doc
USE flag), and got this:

    /Could not open 'https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-help.xml' for
    reading: Operation not supported//
    //
    //Perhaps you are missing GIO backends and need to install GVFS?/

Is there anything I can do?



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Re: [gentoo-user] gimp help not available, even with USE doc

[Dale]

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n952162 wrote:
>
> After emerging gimp, I tried to get help (after re-emerging with the
> doc USE flag), and got this:
>
>     /Could not open 'https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-help.xml' for
>     reading: Operation not supported//
>     //
>     //Perhaps you are missing GIO backends and need to install GVFS?/
>
> Is there anything I can do?
>
>


When I open GIMP and go to help, it takes me here: 

file:///usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/en/index.html

It opens in Seamonkey for me.  Seamonkey is set as my default browser. 
This is my USE flag settings.



root@fireball / # emerge -pv app-doc/gimp-help media-gfx/gimp

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R    ] app-doc/gimp-help-2.8.2:2::gentoo  0 KiB
[ebuild   R   ~] media-gfx/gimp-2.10.18-r1:2::gentoo  USE="alsa doc
jpeg2k mng python udev wmf -aalib (-aqua) -debug -gnome -heif -openexr
-postscript -test -unwind -vector-icons -webp -xpm" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx
sse" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" 0 KiB

Total: 2 packages (2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 KiB
root@fireball / #


Do you have the gimp-help package installed?  If so, your USE flags
match mine? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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[gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Greetings,

On Thursday, 2020-04-30 07:31:51 -0500, Dale wrote:

> ...
> [ebuild   R    ] app-doc/gimp-help-2.8.2:2::gentoo  0 KiB

Thanks for pointing me to a package I hadn't yet installed,  even though
I have installed "media-gfx/gimp" (but use it rarely).  But installation
took surprisingly long  because it included tons of messages in unneeded
laguages.   I have  L10N="en-GB"  in my "make.conf" file,  but this only
seems to request additional languages.

Is there a way to exclude megabytes  of message texts or manual pages in
languages I don't understand anyway from being installed, something like
"L10N="-* en-GB"?   And is there a way to again remove unnecessary lang-
uages after they have been installed?

Under Ubuntu I used to use a package named "localepurge" which did both.

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Dale]

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Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> On Thursday, 2020-04-30 07:31:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> ...
>> [ebuild   R    ] app-doc/gimp-help-2.8.2:2::gentoo  0 KiB
> Thanks for pointing me to a package I hadn't yet installed,  even though
> I have installed "media-gfx/gimp" (but use it rarely).  But installation
> took surprisingly long  because it included tons of messages in unneeded
> laguages.   I have  L10N="en-GB"  in my "make.conf" file,  but this only
> seems to request additional languages.
>
> Is there a way to exclude megabytes  of message texts or manual pages in
> languages I don't understand anyway from being installed, something like
> "L10N="-* en-GB"?   And is there a way to again remove unnecessary lang-
> uages after they have been installed?
>
> Under Ubuntu I used to use a package named "localepurge" which did both.
>
> Sincerely,
>   Rainer
>
>
>


These settings are from AGES ago.  I think they are still in use tho. 


root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep lang
LANG="en_US"
root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep L10N
L10N="en en-US"
root@fireball / #


You would replace US with GB of course.  Oh, I put a link from
/etc/make.conf to the real one.  I'm used to the old location. :/ 

That help? 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Michael]

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On Thursday, 30 April 2020 16:15:54 BST Dale wrote:
> Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > On Thursday, 2020-04-30 07:31:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
> >> ...
> >> [ebuild   R    ] app-doc/gimp-help-2.8.2:2::gentoo  0 KiB
> > 
> > Thanks for pointing me to a package I hadn't yet installed,  even though
> > I have installed "media-gfx/gimp" (but use it rarely).  But installation
> > took surprisingly long  because it included tons of messages in unneeded
> > laguages.   I have  L10N="en-GB"  in my "make.conf" file,  but this only
> > seems to request additional languages.
> > 
> > Is there a way to exclude megabytes  of message texts or manual pages in
> > languages I don't understand anyway from being installed, something like
> > "L10N="-* en-GB"?   And is there a way to again remove unnecessary lang-
> > uages after they have been installed?
> > 
> > Under Ubuntu I used to use a package named "localepurge" which did both.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> >   Rainer
> 
> These settings are from AGES ago.  I think they are still in use tho. 
> 
> 
> root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep lang
> LANG="en_US"
> root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep L10N
> L10N="en en-US"
> root@fireball / #
> 
> 
> You would replace US with GB of course.  Oh, I put a link from
> /etc/make.conf to the real one.  I'm used to the old location. :/ 
> 
> That help? 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Unless this page is out of date L10N USE expansion variable can be set either 
at make.conf, or on a per package basis:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Localization/Guide#L10N

Meanwhile, I think the equivalent to debian's localepurge corresponds to a 
dual step process in Gentoo.  First update your locale as per above page, then 
run 'env-update && source /etc/profile', followed by 'localegen'.  Then if you 
have also setup additional localisations in L10N, you need to run emerge with 
option --newuse, or --changeduse to take account per package or global changes 
in the L10N USE settings.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 30 April 2020 16:43:06 BST Michael wrote:
> On Thursday, 30 April 2020 16:15:54 BST Dale wrote:
> > Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 2020-04-30 07:31:51 -0500, Dale wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >> [ebuild   R    ] app-doc/gimp-help-2.8.2:2::gentoo  0 KiB
> > > 
> > > Thanks for pointing me to a package I hadn't yet installed,  even though
> > > I have installed "media-gfx/gimp" (but use it rarely).  But installation
> > > took surprisingly long  because it included tons of messages in unneeded
> > > laguages.   I have  L10N="en-GB"  in my "make.conf" file,  but this only
> > > seems to request additional languages.
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to exclude megabytes  of message texts or manual pages in
> > > languages I don't understand anyway from being installed, something like
> > > "L10N="-* en-GB"?   And is there a way to again remove unnecessary lang-
> > > uages after they have been installed?
> > > 
> > > Under Ubuntu I used to use a package named "localepurge" which did both.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,
> > > 
> > >   Rainer
> > 
> > These settings are from AGES ago.  I think they are still in use tho.
> > 
> > 
> > root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep lang
> > LANG="en_US"
> > root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep L10N
> > L10N="en en-US"
> > root@fireball / #
> > 
> > You would replace US with GB of course.  Oh, I put a link from
> > /etc/make.conf to the real one.  I'm used to the old location. :/
> > 
> Unless this page is out of date L10N USE expansion variable can be set
> either at make.conf, or on a per package basis:
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Localization/Guide#L10N
> 
> Meanwhile, I think the equivalent to debian's localepurge corresponds to a
> dual step process in Gentoo.  First update your locale as per above page,
> then run 'env-update && source /etc/profile', followed by 'localegen'. 
> Then if you have also setup additional localisations in L10N, you need to
> run emerge with option --newuse, or --changeduse to take account per
> package or global changes in the L10N USE settings.

I wondered whether gimp would just include all manner of junk regardless, so I 
checked what's installed here. It seems that setting locales in make.conf does 
indeed help - no excess languages here; just 2600 icons!

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] gimp help not available, even with USE doc

[n952162]

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Thank you, that was good.

I had /usr/share/gimp/2.0/, now, after (3 hours of) emerging gimp-help, 
I also have help/en/

Unfortunately, I still get the same error msg.

Here are my USE flags:

/* Found these USE flags for media-gfx/gimp-2.10.8-r1://
// U I//
// - - aalib                    : Add support for media-libs/aalib 
(ASCII-Graphics Library)//
// - - alsa                     : Add support for media-libs/alsa-lib 
(Advanced Linux Sound//
//                                Architecture)//
// + + cpu_flags_x86_mmx        : Use the MMX instruction set//
// + + cpu_flags_x86_sse        : Use the SSE instruction set//
// - - debug                    : Enable extra debug codepaths, like 
asserts and extra output.//
//                                If you want to get meaningful 
backtraces see https://wiki.ge//
//ntoo.org/wiki/Project:Quality_Assurance/Backtraces//
// + + doc                      : Add extra documentation (API, Javadoc, 
etc). It is//
//                                recommended to enable per package 
instead of globally//
// - - gnome                    : Add GNOME support//
// - - heif                     : Enable support for ISO/IEC 
23008-12:2017 HEIF files //
// - - jpeg2k                   : Support for JPEG 2000, a wavelet-based 
image compression//
//                                format//
// - - mng                      : Add support for libmng (MNG images)//
// - - openexr                  : Support for the OpenEXR graphics file 
format//
// - - postscript               : Enable support for the PostScript 
language (often with//
//                                ghostscript-gpl or libspectre)//
// - - python                   : Add optional support/bindings for the 
Python language//
// + + python_targets_python2_7 : Build with Python 2.7//
// - - test                     : Enable dependencies and/or 
preparations necessary to run//
//                                tests (usually controlled by 
FEATURES=test but can be//
//                                toggled independently)//
// - - udev                     : Enable virtual/udev integration 
(device discovery, power and//
//                                storage device support, etc)//
// - - unwind                   : Add support for call stack unwinding 
and function name//
//                                resolution//
// - - vector-icons             : Enable support for vector icons 
(experimental) //
// - - webp                     : Add support for the WebP image format//
// - - wmf                      : Add support for the Windows Metafile 
vector image format//
// - - xpm                      : Add support for XPM graphics format/

I have the feeling that, when gimp didn't see the help/ dir the first 
time, it set something, microsoft-like, in persistant storage, and 
doesn't even try to look locally anymore.

And why it can't access the xml file, which is there, I have no idea.  
But I see no flags that look related to GIO or GVFS.

You have a lot of flags set... I hope I don't have to set those all, 
just to see if it helps...


On 2020-04-30 14:31, Dale wrote:
> n952162 wrote:
>>
>> After emerging gimp, I tried to get help (after re-emerging with the 
>> doc USE flag), and got this:
>>
>>     /Could not open 'https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-help.xml' for
>>     reading: Operation not supported//
>>     //
>>     //Perhaps you are missing GIO backends and need to install GVFS?/
>>
>> Is there anything I can do?
>>
>>
>
>
> When I open GIMP and go to help, it takes me here:
>
> file:///usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/en/index.html
>
> It opens in Seamonkey for me.  Seamonkey is set as my default 
> browser.  This is my USE flag settings.
>
>
>
> root@fireball / # emerge -pv app-doc/gimp-help media-gfx/gimp
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild   R    ] app-doc/gimp-help-2.8.2:2::gentoo  0 KiB
> [ebuild   R   ~] media-gfx/gimp-2.10.18-r1:2::gentoo  USE="alsa doc 
> jpeg2k mng python udev wmf -aalib (-aqua) -debug -gnome -heif -openexr 
> -postscript -test -unwind -vector-icons -webp -xpm" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx 
> sse" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" 0 KiB
>
> Total: 2 packages (2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 KiB
> root@fireball / #
>
>
> Do you have the gimp-help package installed?  If so, your USE flags 
> match mine?
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] gimp help not available, even with USE doc

[Dale]

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n952162 wrote:
>
> Thank you, that was good.
>
> I had /usr/share/gimp/2.0/, now, after (3 hours of) emerging
> gimp-help, I also have help/en/
>
> Unfortunately, I still get the same error msg.
>
> Here are my USE flags:
>
> /* Found these USE flags for media-gfx/gimp-2.10.8-r1://
> // U I//
> // - - aalib                    : Add support for media-libs/aalib
> (ASCII-Graphics Library)//
> // - - alsa                     : Add support for media-libs/alsa-lib
> (Advanced Linux Sound//
> //                                Architecture)//
> // + + cpu_flags_x86_mmx        : Use the MMX instruction set//
> // + + cpu_flags_x86_sse        : Use the SSE instruction set//
> // - - debug                    : Enable extra debug codepaths, like
> asserts and extra output.//
> //                                If you want to get meaningful
> backtraces see https://wiki.ge//
> //                               
> ntoo.org/wiki/Project:Quality_Assurance/Backtraces//
> // + + doc                      : Add extra documentation (API,
> Javadoc, etc). It is//
> //                                recommended to enable per package
> instead of globally//
> // - - gnome                    : Add GNOME support//
> // - - heif                     : Enable support for ISO/IEC
> 23008-12:2017 HEIF files //
> // - - jpeg2k                   : Support for JPEG 2000, a
> wavelet-based image compression//
> //                                format//
> // - - mng                      : Add support for libmng (MNG images)//
> // - - openexr                  : Support for the OpenEXR graphics
> file format//
> // - - postscript               : Enable support for the PostScript
> language (often with//
> //                                ghostscript-gpl or libspectre)//
> // - - python                   : Add optional support/bindings for
> the Python language//
> // + + python_targets_python2_7 : Build with Python 2.7//
> // - - test                     : Enable dependencies and/or
> preparations necessary to run//
> //                                tests (usually controlled by
> FEATURES=test but can be//
> //                                toggled independently)//
> // - - udev                     : Enable virtual/udev integration
> (device discovery, power and//
> //                                storage device support, etc)//
> // - - unwind                   : Add support for call stack unwinding
> and function name//
> //                                resolution//
> // - - vector-icons             : Enable support for vector icons
> (experimental) //
> // - - webp                     : Add support for the WebP image format//
> // - - wmf                      : Add support for the Windows Metafile
> vector image format//
> // - - xpm                      : Add support for XPM graphics format/
>
> I have the feeling that, when gimp didn't see the help/ dir the first
> time, it set something, microsoft-like, in persistant storage, and
> doesn't even try to look locally anymore.
>
> And why it can't access the xml file, which is there, I have no idea. 
> But I see no flags that look related to GIO or GVFS.
>
> You have a lot of flags set... I hope I don't have to set those all,
> just to see if it helps...
>
>

Actually, I think the relevant flags are set.  That made me want to go
look elsewhere based on your idea that it changed a setting when you
didn't have the docs installed.  I went to Preferences, expand Interface
if needed then select Help System.  Here, I have the following checked.
Show tooltips and Show help buttons.  For User Manual drop menu, mine is
set to Use a locally installed copy and below that User interface
language. The rest shouldn't matter. 

See if that helps.  Maybe one of those settings got flipped around.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:15:54AM -0500, Dale wrote:

> These settings are from AGES ago.  I think they are still in use tho. 
>
> root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep lang
> LANG="en_US"
> root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep L10N
> L10N="en en-US"

Just to scratch an itch:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_(Unix)#Useless_use_of_cat

;-)

-- 
Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’
Save the whales, eat more Japanese!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Dale]

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Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:15:54AM -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> These settings are from AGES ago.  I think they are still in use tho. 
>>
>> root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep lang
>> LANG="en_US"
>> root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep L10N
>> L10N="en en-US"
> Just to scratch an itch:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_(Unix)#Useless_use_of_cat
>
> ;-)
>


But it works just fine.  ;-)  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Michael,

On Thursday, 2020-04-30 16:43:06 +0100, you wrote:

> ...
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Localization/Guide#L10N
> 
> Meanwhile, I think the equivalent to debian's localepurge corresponds to a 
> dual step process in Gentoo.  First update your locale as per above page, then 
> run 'env-update && source /etc/profile', followed by 'localegen'.  Then if you 
> have also setup additional localisations in L10N, you need to run emerge with 
> option --newuse, or --changeduse to take account per package or global changes 
> in the L10N USE settings.

Doesn't seem to work:

   # grep -E '^(LANG|LC_|L10)' /etc/portage/make.conf
   L10N="en-GB"
   LANG="en_GB"
   LC_MESSAGES="C"
   # env | grep -E '^(LANG|LC_|L10)'
   LANG=en_GB.utf8
   LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:en
   LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_COLLATE=C
   LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8
   LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
   # locale -a
   C
   C.utf8
   POSIX
   en_GB.utf8
   # localedef --list-archive
   C.utf8
   en_GB.utf8
   # emerge --ask --changed-deps --deep --newuse --update \
     --verbose-conflicts --with-bdeps=y @world

   These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

   Calculating dependencies... done!
   [ebuild  rR   ~] dev-libs/libjcat-0.1.1 

   Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] no

   Quitting.

Package "dev-libs/libjcat"  does in fact  have a "man" USE flag,  and it
provides a single manual page, "/usr/share/man/man1/jcat-tool.1.bz2".  I
don't know for sure though  whether my adding  'LANG="en_GB"'  to "/etc/
portage/make.conf"  and doing  all the  magic in the  Gentoo Locaization
Guide  caused Portage's desire  to re-emerge  that package  or something
totally different.

But there are  other packages installed  with the "man" USE flag,  which
didn't even flinch.   In particular  there is package  "sys-apps/shadow"
which among other things provides the "passwd" command and which doesn't
honour the "man" USE flag at all, but is quite polyglot:

   # cd /usr/share/man
   # find . -type f -name 'passwd*'
   ./ru/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./sv/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./man3/passwd2des.3
   ./ja/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./it/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./fr/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./hu/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./de/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./tr/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./zh_CN/man1/passwd.1.bz2
   ./man5/passwd.5.bz2
   #

So the question  how to get rid  of all these  unnecessary  languages is
still open.

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday, 4 May 2020 15:08:12 BST Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:

Here are mine for comparison:

# grep -E '^(LANG|LC_|L10)' /etc/portage/make.conf
L10N="en-GB en"
LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
LANGUAGE="en_GB.UTF-8"

# env | grep -E '^(LANG|LC_|L10)'
LANG=en_GB.utf8

# locale -a
C
C.utf8
en_GB
en_GB.iso88591
en_GB.iso885915
en_GB.utf8
POSIX

# localedef --list-archive
C.utf8
en_GB
en_GB.iso88591
en_GB.iso885915
en_GB.utf8

>    # grep -E '^(LANG|LC_|L10)' /etc/portage/make.conf
>    L10N="en-GB"
>    LANG="en_GB"
>    LC_MESSAGES="C"
>    # env | grep -E '^(LANG|LC_|L10)'
>    LANG=en_GB.utf8
>    LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:en
>    LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_COLLATE=C
>    LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8
>    LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
>    # locale -a
>    C
>    C.utf8
>    POSIX
>    en_GB.utf8
>    # localedef --list-archive
>    C.utf8
>    en_GB.utf8

What do you have in your kernel config, under File Systems / Native Language 
Support? I only have a few selected: the ones I might use. (This may be a red 
herring.)

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Michael Jones]

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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:31 AM Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Monday, 4 May 2020 15:08:12 BST Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
>
> Here are mine for comparison:
>
> # grep -E '^(LANG|LC_|L10)' /etc/portage/make.conf
> L10N="en-GB en"
> LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LANGUAGE="en_GB.UTF-8"
>
>
I can't find any documentation on the use of "LANG" or "LANGUAGE" in
/etc/portage/make.conf.

I'm looking here:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/make.conf#LINGUAS

Is there another source that describes these variables and how to use them?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Francesco Turco]

On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 20:11, Michael Jones wrote:
> I can't find any documentation on the use of "LANG" or "LANGUAGE" in /etc/portage/make.conf.
> 
> I'm looking here: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/make.conf#LINGUAS
> 
> Is there another source that describes these variables and how to use them? 

Please see: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Localization/Guide

-- 
https://fturco.net/

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Peter, sorry for the late reply :-(

On Monday, 2020-05-04 16:30:49 +0100, you wrote:

> ...
> What do you have in your kernel config, under File Systems / Native Language 
> Support? I only have a few selected: the ones I might use. (This may be a red 
> herring.)

Only these:

(utf8) Default NLS Option
<*> Codepage 437 (United States, Canada)
<*> ASCII (United States)
<*> NLS ISO 8859-1  (Latin 1; Western European Languages)
<*> NLS UTF-8

But just as an example:

   # find / -xdev -type d -name ru
   /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/locale/ru
   /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/media/icon-themes/cmd/ru
   /usr/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mercurial/locale/ru
   /usr/share/help/ru
   /usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/ru
   /usr/share/vim/vim82/lang/ru
   /usr/share/man/ru
   /usr/share/binutils-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.33.1/locale/ru
   /usr/share/locale/ru
   /usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/9.3.0/locale/ru
   /var/cache/man/ru
   #

And searching for other  language codes  irrelevant to me  gives similar
results.   I've already thought  about adding  "-nls"  to the global USE
flags, but I'm fearing to lose "en-GB" that way.

Any further thoughts anybody?

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 12:42:03 BST Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
> Peter, sorry for the late reply :-(
> 
> On Monday, 2020-05-04 16:30:49 +0100, you wrote:
> > ...
> > What do you have in your kernel config, under File Systems / Native
> > Language Support? I only have a few selected: the ones I might use. (This
> > may be a red herring.)
> 
> Only these:
> 
> (utf8) Default NLS Option
> <*> Codepage 437 (United States, Canada)
> <*> ASCII (United States)
> <*> NLS ISO 8859-1  (Latin 1; Western European Languages)
> <*> NLS UTF-8
> 
> But just as an example:
> 
>    # find / -xdev -type d -name ru
>    /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/locale/ru
>    /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/media/icon-themes/cmd/ru
>    /usr/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/mercurial/locale/ru
>    /usr/share/help/ru
>    /usr/share/gimp/2.0/help/ru
>    /usr/share/vim/vim82/lang/ru
>    /usr/share/man/ru
>    /usr/share/binutils-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.33.1/locale/ru
>    /usr/share/locale/ru
>    /usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/9.3.0/locale/ru
>    /var/cache/man/ru
>    #
> 
> And searching for other  language codes  irrelevant to me  gives similar
> results.   I've already thought  about adding  "-nls"  to the global USE
> flags, but I'm fearing to lose "en-GB" that way.

I see what you mean. I'm just remerging @world with -nls, but it causes 95 
rebuilds, including a lot of kde-frameworks packages, so I've copied my 
packages directory in case your fear is borne out. I'll let you know.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 20 May 2020 13:53:03 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> > And searching for other  language codes  irrelevant to me  gives
> > similar results.   I've already thought  about adding  "-nls"  to the
> > global USE flags, but I'm fearing to lose "en-GB" that way.  
> 
> I see what you mean. I'm just remerging @world with -nls, but it causes
> 95 rebuilds, including a lot of kde-frameworks packages, so I've copied
> my packages directory in case your fear is borne out. I'll let you know.

I've run systems without nls in the past and it works well, after all OUR
English is a native language ;-)

Seriously though, nls enables support for different character sets AFAIR.

I've been running with en-GB for years and haven't had the problems the
OP reported. For example, the shadow ebuild only includes the English man
page. As a kludge, you can use INSTALL_MASK to block installation of
other languages, but finding the cause of this behaviour would be
preferable.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Voting Democrat or Republican is like choosing a cabin in the Titanic.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Walter Dnes]

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 01:53:03PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote
> 
> I see what you mean. I'm just remerging @world with -nls, but it
> causes 95 rebuilds, including a lot of kde-frameworks packages,
> so I've copied my packages directory in case your fear is borne
> out. I'll let you know.

  I run with "-nls" in make.conf, but in package.use I throw in
"media-fonts/* nls" in order to keep xfreecell happy.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:59:35 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 01:53:03PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote
> 
> > I see what you mean. I'm just remerging @world with -nls, but it
> > causes 95 rebuilds, including a lot of kde-frameworks packages,
> > so I've copied my packages directory in case your fear is borne
> > out. I'll let you know.
> 
>   I run with "-nls" in make.conf, but in package.use I throw in
> "media-fonts/* nls" in order to keep xfreecell happy.

Good idea.

Time will tell whether plasma has lost anything.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:16:57 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:59:35 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 01:53:03PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote
> > 
> > > I see what you mean. I'm just remerging @world with -nls, but it
> > > causes 95 rebuilds, including a lot of kde-frameworks packages,
> > > so I've copied my packages directory in case your fear is borne
> > > out. I'll let you know.
> > > 
> >   I run with "-nls" in make.conf, but in package.use I throw in
> > 
> > "media-fonts/* nls" in order to keep xfreecell happy.
> 
> Good idea.
> 
> Time will tell whether plasma has lost anything.

I meant to add that the only Russian language file I pruned by setting -nls is 
/usr/share/binutils-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.34/locale/ru. Binutils was 
remerged, so that one should have gone. Everything else is still there:

# find / -xdev -name ru
/usr/share/help/ru
/usr/share/man/ru
/usr/share/espeak-data/voices/europe/ru
/usr/share/kf5/kdoctools/customization/ru
/usr/share/kf5/locale/countries/ru
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ru
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/sun_vndr/ru
/usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/media/icon-themes/cmd/ru
/opt/zoom/timezones/ru

I assume all those packages ignore language settings. That file /usr/share/
help/ru belongs to kdoctools, which has just been remerged with -nls, so it is 
clearly guilty. Likewise kconfigwidgets and app-editors/joe, which both install 
/usr/share/man/ru.

I can't evict espeak because two KDE PIM packages require it.

Internationalisation has some way to go yet, it seems - or do I mean 
localisation?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting rid of unwanted languages (Was: Re: gimp help not available, even with USE doc)

[Michael]

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On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:40:31 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:16:57 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:59:35 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 01:53:03PM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote
> > > 
> > > > I see what you mean. I'm just remerging @world with -nls, but it
> > > > causes 95 rebuilds, including a lot of kde-frameworks packages,
> > > > so I've copied my packages directory in case your fear is borne
> > > > out. I'll let you know.
> > > > 
> > >   I run with "-nls" in make.conf, but in package.use I throw in
> > > 
> > > "media-fonts/* nls" in order to keep xfreecell happy.
> > 
> > Good idea.
> > 
> > Time will tell whether plasma has lost anything.
> 
> I meant to add that the only Russian language file I pruned by setting -nls
> is /usr/share/binutils-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/2.34/locale/ru. Binutils
> was remerged, so that one should have gone. Everything else is still there:
> 
> # find / -xdev -name ru
> /usr/share/help/ru
> /usr/share/man/ru
> /usr/share/espeak-data/voices/europe/ru
> /usr/share/kf5/kdoctools/customization/ru
> /usr/share/kf5/locale/countries/ru
> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ru
> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/sun_vndr/ru
> /usr/lib64/libreoffice/help/media/icon-themes/cmd/ru
> /opt/zoom/timezones/ru
> 
> I assume all those packages ignore language settings. That file /usr/share/
> help/ru belongs to kdoctools, which has just been remerged with -nls, so it
> is clearly guilty. Likewise kconfigwidgets and app-editors/joe, which both
> install /usr/share/man/ru.
> 
> I can't evict espeak because two KDE PIM packages require it.

You can, unless you need speech-dispatcher.

$ grep espeak -r /etc/portage/
/etc/portage/package.use/espeak.use:app-accessibility/speech-dispatcher -
espeak


> Internationalisation has some way to go yet, it seems - or do I mean
> localisation?


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