From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CB271396D0 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 03:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51704E0E08; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 03:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x241.google.com (mail-yw0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1F2BE0DC9 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 03:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x241.google.com with SMTP id v72so412695ywa.1 for ; Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:08:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=uj+8y83dWMQEiBAt5ycxHeipXnu0wY13j0NzBFvaT4M=; b=ouWNmkXdv04EbbnmJfawc/cJ8Y0c4IPUz0BdnJ8iNk+EAZm6bEbu0pszrTNS5djlNT tSOPDUpLtCQTSSy1El5ofudlkabyVWECCKyPqa94Kgrr6fPp8NsiMoyiT5dqZCkveKj2 QZ5np5HZJlIbFHOLKIRgHMVi4qtUGXEjLlDnKQ9zSsbyl7YL2+cheP2rrEvQvkJAZmgh lzO+3cvu4zPoK0fQKsMVv77vCK7FCer5sn7NXBJUMfnCKTWpnuv76R+YsAn2rSWYEwaF etnc60JMLNRVoWiO+I7YbQDOG66+QjbGbpbdD8AydU+xIRVSugaJ+Tu8AtJc+DHJxL6L hQtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=uj+8y83dWMQEiBAt5ycxHeipXnu0wY13j0NzBFvaT4M=; b=SE7NrlIxsXnPKuJiAgFBrtfnKHHr69VcHSGVKFeQwKeLYzNCHzFz73dMVnF0fLaMfc NR7nVaxKaDJf8p2tu2eS9CknxuMeqKOyGG/emvOwvjRZaFZ043yja2cyGhosdGap6MTN Pgw+U4piYNgoiJJDe8nKjZQCO1SjgLNQx0HqycU9L/o6lQyHWdvJ67yi5UdtFULfwPb7 7Xt6NaztbLPet/sHgwhvPEV/EQxJafiU6eD6jfcYxRIgfaUK95HyoIxzB0Q4S96KP7FN EjhOVqpn9LD1CVomjV1nhMwOwg9nVJVmC0EKD+stfyXSU6tIxzmaRbltfLCjrl3zDTUS tSLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUjM+rGf4zHiJlQ/tF+TBRFAOClwoAgqWpIrXWZ0rUZXOwAxw2Rw WyxpTLoS1mECBsKmXG/29qL/Q4Mlmw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADKCNb7JDJRwUVMm8W+gMFJAOUCPvvzObE3DzEagx7B2X9eNSFw8fRdOK+3LpdufGlvqkgekwJzkOiSprEAk76NaRq0= X-Received: by 10.129.82.73 with SMTP id g70mr1339901ywb.218.1504840109481; Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.211.10 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 20:08:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9b36ec89-2f53-283f-005a-5db7d28ad2c4@gmail.com> References: <87a8264rvb.fsf@gmail.com> <874lse3ry0.fsf@gmail.com> <9b36ec89-2f53-283f-005a-5db7d28ad2c4@gmail.com> From: R0b0t1 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:08:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] What do you think about Firefox 57? To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 4e7cc8b7-eabd-407f-aa71-de29dc41f2a9 X-Archives-Hash: fca5594829712744956d457467a84460 On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Dale wrote: > Danny YUE wrote: >> On 2017-09-08 00:48, Adam Carter wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Danny YUE wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have been using FoxyProxy in Firefox for a really long time, until >>>> today I found its new version really sucks. >>>> >>>> Then I read the comment from author who declared that the old version >>>> can *only* be used before (roughly) end of 2017 before Firefox 57 and in >>>> new version some features must perish. >>>> >>> I am assuming that most actively developed addons will be updated before 57 >>> drops, so the transition wont be too painful. Is the issue you're having >>> with FoxyProxy related to it relying on features that are no longer >>> available under the new framework? >> Yes. The FoxyProxy author declared that some features are no long >> available under the new framework. >> I am really depressed about it because I just use that plugin every time >> I use Firefox. >> >> >>> This update will break my favorite extension, Vimperator. I am already >>> looking at replacements for Firefox due to this. So far I have found >>> qutebrowser which isn't really as featureful. >>> >>> R0b0t1. >> I am using Keysnail, no idea whether or not it will be deprecated. >> >> If the features I want are blocked by the new framework, I'm afraid I >> would lock the version (fortunately it's Gentoo) for a long time, until >> I find replacement for plugins, or even Firefox... >> >> Danny >> >> > > > It's been mentioned before in other threads recently, have you looked at > Palemoon? I have it installed here from a overlay. I haven't checked > on it recently but if this new plugin thing with Firefox leaves some of > my plugins unusable, I may be looking at some other options myself. I > might add, Seamonkey is stepping on a nerve or two of mine as well. > > I've been wondering about this plugin thing myself since I heard about > it a few weeks ago. Sort of glad to see a discussion about it. Hoping > to find out what others think this is going to end up looking like. > Palemoon is a good mention. As I've expressed previously on gentoo-user, I was concerned about using it due to the slow application of security patches. Someone responded that this is no longer the case. If anyone has time to join some of the Mozilla mailing lists I think it would be worth it to ask them about their decisions. They seem to be making most of their choices without user input. To be fair, I doubt there are many users on the development mailing lists. In this case I actually think switching to WebExtensions addons is the start of a good idea as I can see some of the benefit, but asking that plans for adding back some of the now missing API be created sounds like a good idea. Hopefully I will have time to do this myself, but if anybody gets to it before me that would be appreciated. I am extremely busy now. I'm suggesting this here because it seems like people here will be affected and know enough to hold a conversation with the developers who are making decisions. My personal experience with Mozilla is that no one is authorized to make changes. So why are there changes? Cheers, R0b0t1