Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

[R0b0t1 <r030t1@gmail.com>]

Against my better judgement,

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> Up to a point, the same can be said about systemd; although many of its
> programs can be and are used by end users, most of it is for distro
> builders, programmers and administrators. And having a couple of Gentoo
> boxes running Apache doesn't make anyone an administrator, BTW.
>

I have met Gentoo users who maintain, for fun, far more complex and
capable systems than some system administrators who are paid for their
work. There is no reason you are any more credible than a random
mailing list user.

> That's why most of Gentoo systemd users (and we are *a lot*; Gentoo has
> great systemd support with several Gentoo devs collaborating with the
> project) usually just ignore this kind of threads. Most of the time is a lot
> of people which don't use it badmouthing a really cool piece of technology
> that has been adopted by all large (and heavily used) Linux distributions
> because the people that understand its technical merits realize that, for
> the *general case*, its benefits outweigh whatever costs (in many cases
> imaginary) it may have. And besides, for us it just works™, quietly running
> in the background.
>

If you are saying this then you are choosing to ignore the technical
arguments against systemd. You can claim you don't care and that is
fine, but you've ignored what people are talking about and have
injected your opinion into the discussion with a false air of
superiority.

The complaints in this thread may be a little extreme, but ultimately
I agree these closely connected binary systems are not easily
maintainable and are opaque to users.

Cheers,
     R0b0t1