From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A53871396D0 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E4459E0DA4; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x241.google.com (mail-yw0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B192E0D92 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 03:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x241.google.com with SMTP id s143so315660ywg.4 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:18:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dIqeXvhBah+EBqf4c7vQ00c0EiVAywm2kPdRnV8XaSo=; b=TdvnRgSwvqy2JB0JQPW2/uDhytbNfV9fChHPhTLGjjR/FGKNp/f9DdBxgNX7bCtfsB xzUdVT2ZmEwj6Ks7fDlKTDs5DPJ9RSWCggujG8F4odOysh1bs0gEn8K2/KssX+IdkyvC Sd3VI2kAsxSfwxC84IZFLSKWapeWTvcAL8ofwsITMgErWd/nKVhQnLMS3g+EGwdkMRCr FVJCnPFm0eSJObtBolr2EzrICwcxw2t6bylfp3EYdJysFBLvF7FEqNDdvKnT1hJXdzfB FSy7B68WTlULVJW213eYaG/gnEi0vrZ+F8WgxVPr/irU5suIcZCLfLD4OAfFhP6Ch5dH A5Lw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=dIqeXvhBah+EBqf4c7vQ00c0EiVAywm2kPdRnV8XaSo=; b=r0dv0hxCNuxPZnrOPRDns59biBxWUdb8AFjQu7dEnc9wg5JLaMRWG9Vk0aWrr+HwK1 6BmwoPQVd5y9aAiq8liMXVBRKgd0NAcW5caP299yo+nWOEQq2ncOkgrnOeedXFjKT5yb xqcmebZKd5ivIfnwn6XT+Du1x6eklqPQkgFVq223gX5Nb60tAP+6hkJnuxqM7CA+hxuY hzY9mK7n9o8H5qKMWiczzxI9usiUWVn8JAL4KNnycHHKeLn6k2te9Gj0IZtjx2KgfM+o TtfRzhhZgnn6U32VAhCKoUMWCqqgay/3PNJuaO00wcPdyUeE+VFG2xU31O3lPnm9fpJd jscw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5haR9ohyKh7ee4c3lhFWGuckYBCC1H3bzZx7ZrXfDocFsNDUura rOMNZMXMwWJV6JcnM2RXidu3rmZfh4hd X-Received: by 10.37.204.147 with SMTP id l141mr1041895ybf.61.1503458287245; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.211.10 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:18:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00a7e64e-d392-ee42-be07-4d9899e5b755@monksofcool.net> References: <36647422-6e40-b12f-fa32-a5bef8d68f32@monksofcool.net> <3B2D3BB9-2EBD-4C29-9168-18903E5176DF@stfw.net> <65c008e3-169d-2d9a-787a-a91878f9e7f0@monksofcool.net> <00a7e64e-d392-ee42-be07-4d9899e5b755@monksofcool.net> From: R0b0t1 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] install under centos606 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 29a63b33-caf0-4fe9-ae90-439bf7b0ec9f X-Archives-Hash: 517e6a723013ed5693df51a2da01b047 On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 7:08 AM, Ralph Seichter wrote: > On 21.08.2017 13:49, mad.scientist.at.large@tutanota.com wrote: > >> I'm excited about using gentoo, though the online instructions could >> really use more structuring, i.e. it's hard to avoid reading the parts >> you don't need to and the "flow" is rather lost. It's an extremely >> verbose document which makes it very hard to get the gist of the install >> procedure. it's not a bad document, merely poorly organized. [...] > > I completely disagree. I consider the Gentoo installation documentation > well structured, easy to follow and precise, and I don't know what your > statements like "most newbies would be helplessly confused" are supposed > to be based on. Please don't try to pass on your personal opinions as > facts without providing any proof. Show us a control group of newbies, > most of them helplessly confused, if you can. ;-) > I think most of the problem is all the handbook does is give you a working system in the technical sense. Everything else is up to you to discover, which can be very hard if you are lacking terminology or very specific experience. A good example of a more fully featured guide is Sakaki's EFI Installation Guide (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Sakaki's_EFI_Install_Guide). I have proposed the handbook be updated, at least on an architecture-specific basis, to reflect common installation options (as was it seems was originally intended). However, the Handbook team seems very conservative and hard to contact. Among my suggestions were transferring the Handbook to Gollum, so the pages could be managed from Git. Porting the whole Wiki to Gollum might make it hard for normal users to contribute, but I suspect only particularly adept users would have good contributions to the Handbook. R0b0t1.