From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA901381FB for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E38B21C0F1; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (svr-us4.tirtonadi.com [69.65.43.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28F8E21C0C4 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 00:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com ([209.85.160.48]:33606) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1To1bB-000X6c-F4 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:45:25 +0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id rq13so5085445pbb.7 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:45:24 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.83.136 with SMTP id q8mr85144439pay.83.1356569124507; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.248.66 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.248.66 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:45:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50CB1942.3020900@gmail.com> <50CB4A3C.1030109@gmail.com> <50CB5406.7040404@gmail.com> <8738z7hgsa.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121216171043.71084070@khamul.example.com> <20121217104621.735bf43a@khamul.example.com> <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121224085528.56f535ec@khamul.example.com> <50D85167.9060309@gmail.com> <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> <50D957F0.1060406@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:45:24 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit? From: Pandu Poluan To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042ef4bbc78eff04d1cadcc9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: svr-us4.tirtonadi.com: authenticated_id: rileyer+pandu.poluan.info/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Archives-Salt: 939c03cb-ea7d-4378-b246-3eb6e6c5f1c9 X-Archives-Hash: 4096f88014897d7e8622235075909485 --f46d042ef4bbc78eff04d1cadcc9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 26, 2012 1:05 AM, "Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s" = wrote: {supersnip} > > So, no, I'm not trying to answer if you could "create a "/usr" service > and make things dependent on /usr come after it's been mounted". I > passed almost this entire thread because it's mostly people still > hitting the same dead horse; really, if someone believe the eudev fork > is the answer, they should go forth and use it. If there are people > who don't want to believe developers like Greg Kroah-Hartman or Diego > Petten=C3=B2 when they basically say that eudev is a joke, why they would > believe *me*? And, by the way, Diego doesn't like systemd *at all*. > Canek, I distinctly remember, at the very beginning of this brouhaha over udev requiring /usr to be mounted at boot time, you stated something along the lines of 'show me the code, then I'll believe that replacing udev is doable'. First, Walter Dnes came out with an amazingly complete -- considering it was all done by just one man -- solution using mdev. You scoffed at him, saying that mdev solution is incomplete. Now, some respected Gentoo devs forked udev into eudev, and produced a working solution, yet you still scoff at them. In your eyes, udev has become like the cosmos: everything there is, and ever shall be. Greg KH and Diego Petteno are similar; they ridiculed a good forking by spreading FUD, and almost totally unwilling to listen to rational arguments from the devs about why udev is forked. As a result, they received great opposition, in turn. Even Linus piped up at one point, sharply reminding Greg KH that even though udev was at one time Greg's 'baby', at this point udev serves only the wants of the few. I'd say that you, Greg KH, and others denigrating eudev are udev fanatics, preferring to denigrate anything outside the 'party lines' of udev+systemd. Rgds, -- --f46d042ef4bbc78eff04d1cadcc9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Dec 26, 2012 1:05 AM, "Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s" <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:

{supersnip}

>
> So, no, I'm not trying to answer if you could "create a "= ;/usr" service
> and make things dependent on /usr come after it's been mounted&quo= t;. I
> passed almost this entire thread because it's mostly people still<= br> > hitting the same dead horse; really, if someone believe the eudev fork=
> is the answer, they should go forth and use it. If there are people > who don't want to believe developers like Greg Kroah-Hartman or Di= ego
> Petten=C3=B2 when they basically say that eudev is a joke, why they wo= uld
> believe *me*? And, by the way, Diego doesn't like systemd *at all*= .
>

Canek, I distinctly remember, at the very beginning of this brouhaha ove= r udev requiring /usr to be mounted at boot time, you stated something alon= g the lines of 'show me the code, then I'll believe that replacing = udev is doable'.

First, Walter Dnes came out with an amazingly complete -- considering it= was all done by just one man -- solution using mdev. You scoffed at him, s= aying that mdev solution is incomplete.

Now, some respected Gentoo devs forked udev into eudev, and produced a w= orking solution, yet you still scoff at them.

In your eyes, udev has become like the cosmos: everything there is, and = ever shall be.

Greg KH and Diego Petteno are similar; they ridiculed a good forking by = spreading FUD, and almost totally unwilling to listen to rational arguments= from the devs about why udev is forked. As a result, they received great o= pposition, in turn. Even Linus piped up at one point, sharply reminding Gre= g KH that even though udev was at one time Greg's 'baby', at th= is point udev serves only the wants of the few.

I'd say that you, Greg KH, and others denigrating eudev are udev fan= atics, preferring to denigrate anything outside the 'party lines' o= f udev+systemd.

Rgds,
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