From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit?
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:45:24 +0700 [thread overview]
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On Dec 26, 2012 1:05 AM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> So, no, I'm not trying to answer if you could "create a "/usr" service
> and make things dependent on /usr come after it's been mounted". I
> passed almost this entire thread because it's mostly people still
> hitting the same dead horse; really, if someone believe the eudev fork
> is the answer, they should go forth and use it. If there are people
> who don't want to believe developers like Greg Kroah-Hartman or Diego
> Pettenò when they basically say that eudev is a joke, why they would
> believe *me*? And, by the way, Diego doesn't like systemd *at all*.
>
Canek, I distinctly remember, at the very beginning of this brouhaha over
udev requiring /usr to be mounted at boot time, you stated something along
the lines of 'show me the code, then I'll believe that replacing udev is
doable'.
First, Walter Dnes came out with an amazingly complete -- considering it
was all done by just one man -- solution using mdev. You scoffed at him,
saying that mdev solution is incomplete.
Now, some respected Gentoo devs forked udev into eudev, and produced a
working solution, yet you still scoff at them.
In your eyes, udev has become like the cosmos: everything there is, and
ever shall be.
Greg KH and Diego Petteno are similar; they ridiculed a good forking by
spreading FUD, and almost totally unwilling to listen to rational arguments
from the devs about why udev is forked. As a result, they received great
opposition, in turn. Even Linus piped up at one point, sharply reminding
Greg KH that even though udev was at one time Greg's 'baby', at this point
udev serves only the wants of the few.
I'd say that you, Greg KH, and others denigrating eudev are udev fanatics,
preferring to denigrate anything outside the 'party lines' of udev+systemd.
Rgds,
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2012-12-14 12:19 [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet? Dale
2012-12-14 13:26 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-14 13:41 ` Dale
2012-12-14 14:04 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 14:25 ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:39 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 16:20 ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 17:34 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 19:02 ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 16:23 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-14 16:32 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:33 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-14 17:06 ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:52 ` Dale
2012-12-14 17:44 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 20:49 ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:01 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 15:48 ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:07 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:29 ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:53 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 17:14 ` Dale
2012-12-14 21:34 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-15 10:18 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-15 17:43 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-16 12:51 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 21:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-16 21:30 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 22:14 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 22:25 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-15 8:16 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 15:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-16 18:49 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-16 20:32 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 20:51 ` Dale
2012-12-17 0:26 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-17 5:44 ` Dale
2012-12-17 5:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17 6:09 ` Dale
2012-12-17 6:24 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17 6:44 ` Dale
2012-12-17 11:33 ` Kevin Chadwick
[not found] ` <CAA2qdGWkfmiQVAKb76wq57scQ-T5p2U7HE4VdN8BnTX0oZHS1g@mail.gmail.com>
2012-12-17 5:54 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-17 7:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17 7:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17 7:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17 8:02 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-17 8:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 11:44 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-18 12:55 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 13:34 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-18 22:02 ` Marc Joliet
2012-12-19 18:48 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:42 ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-18 14:08 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 14:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 22:55 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 23:07 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 3:05 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-19 9:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 9:38 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 10:14 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 9:26 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 15:03 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 10:22 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 16:20 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-23 17:03 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-12-23 17:44 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:53 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 18:06 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 20:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 1:27 ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-24 8:06 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 10:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 15:14 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:52 ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:09 ` William Kenworthy
2012-12-25 20:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:05 ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:35 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-25 11:33 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 15:10 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:20 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:43 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-27 19:59 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 20:07 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:14 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 6:55 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 12:58 ` Dale
2012-12-24 13:21 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 13:58 ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:06 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 15:27 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 15:56 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 16:00 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 16:11 ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:14 ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:34 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 17:02 ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:43 ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:29 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:00 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 12:10 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 12:46 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:22 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 16:40 ` Dale
2012-12-25 17:17 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 17:53 ` Dale
2012-12-25 18:54 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 22:49 ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:54 ` Paul Colquhoun
2012-12-25 23:12 ` Dale
2012-12-26 11:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:19 ` pk
2012-12-24 16:25 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 16:41 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:05 ` Dale
2012-12-24 17:15 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 18:58 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-25 1:54 ` Dale
2012-12-26 15:56 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 18:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 20:00 ` Dale
2012-12-24 20:15 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 21:23 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-24 22:36 ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:17 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 0:34 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 2:00 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 2:33 ` Dale
2012-12-25 21:15 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:42 ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:07 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 23:04 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 0:29 ` »Q«
2012-12-25 0:54 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 1:30 ` Dale
2012-12-25 2:13 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:51 ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-25 23:26 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 11:40 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:24 ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-26 17:03 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 17:22 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-26 20:34 ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:00 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 2:03 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 2:38 ` Dale
2012-12-25 12:58 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:01 ` Dale
2012-12-26 16:01 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-26 20:42 ` Dale
2012-12-27 3:23 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 16:13 ` Dale
2012-12-27 16:24 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 17:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:15 ` Dale
2012-12-27 18:31 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:41 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 19:02 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 22:29 ` Dale
2012-12-29 0:43 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 16:28 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 18:22 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:40 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:16 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 20:59 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 22:37 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28 4:20 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-28 14:10 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 14:21 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26 21:31 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 21:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:00 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 22:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:20 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:04 ` Dale
2012-12-25 23:10 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:56 ` Dale
2012-12-24 21:43 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 22:23 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 23:31 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 23:58 ` Dale
2012-12-25 0:44 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 22:52 ` Dale
2012-12-24 22:11 ` Daniel Wagener
2012-12-25 3:56 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 7:38 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit? G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25 8:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-25 11:14 ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25 13:14 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 13:35 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 18:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 0:45 ` Pandu Poluan [this message]
2012-12-27 1:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 1:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:00 ` pk
2012-12-27 23:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:15 ` pk
2012-12-28 18:55 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-28 19:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 22:40 ` pk
2012-12-29 1:05 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 1:06 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-28 1:24 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:56 ` Joshua Murphy
2012-12-25 18:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 22:22 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 22:19 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 23:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 23:51 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 0:57 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:29 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:53 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 19:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 20:17 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-28 20:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-29 3:48 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28 23:23 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-29 1:06 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 0:27 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 13:02 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:18 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 15:01 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 23:31 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 0:19 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-26 2:16 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26 3:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 17:13 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 18:47 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 23:07 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-01-04 23:22 ` Mike Edenfield
2013-01-05 2:41 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:41 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 18:42 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 22:45 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20 3:45 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-20 16:47 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-20 20:59 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-23 10:26 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-20 21:01 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20 21:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-21 0:09 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-21 0:45 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-21 8:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-15 10:16 ` [gentoo-user] " pk
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