From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:50:10 +0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA2qdGX6Oy49xMYS9sxSWmgq9NFQ51FJXX5=TUZgALrFKrGOLA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120313173551.773ed013@khamul.example.com>
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On Mar 13, 2012 10:39 PM, "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:53:29 -0600
> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > As Alan said in other thread, it can be "fixed" (if you think is not
> > right) for some very specific cases. Alan mentioned servers, really
> > simple desktops with simple hotplug devices, and embedded systems. For
> > mdev to "fix" the situation in the general case, it would have to
> > cover all the setups udev covers. That means bluetooth devices
> > (including keyboards and mice), USB soundcards, touch screens and the
> > like, all of them being plugged and unplugged at any time in any
> > order.
> >
> > Maybe someday mdev will be able to handle all the cases that udev
> > does. If it does (which I honestly doubt), I'm pretty sure at that
> > point it would have become as complex as udev, if not more, and it
> > will probably need the same requirements that udev has. Including the
> > simple one that for mounting a filesystem, the plumbing needed to
> > mounting it has to be available before, and we cannot keep throwing
> > everything directly on / so it can mount /usr.
>
> I'm slowly coming round to this point of view too.
>
> If you want a full blown desktop machine with all the modern bells and
> whistles that always JustWorks(tm), realise that you have a complex
> system needing complex software. And udev is designed to deal with
> that. To accomplish this task, udev needs to apply some constraints.
>
> For almost everything else, that sophistication is not needed and
> simpler (i.e. less complex) software will suffice. Currently mdev (or
> something else like it) fills that needs.
>
> So 2 different scenarios with different solutions. Horses for courses.
>
Fully agree.
However, currently the 'less complex' mdev solution is not yet a 'first
class citizen' anywhere.
Rgds,
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2012-03-10 2:48 [gentoo-user] LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts Dale
2012-03-10 3:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10 4:16 ` Dale
2012-03-10 5:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10 6:03 ` Dale
2012-03-10 8:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 9:45 ` Dale
2012-03-10 9:52 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 9:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 10:30 ` Dale
2012-03-10 10:49 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 11:28 ` Dale
2012-03-10 11:12 ` William Kenworthy
2012-03-10 10:58 ` pk
2012-03-10 15:35 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 20:50 ` pk
2012-03-10 21:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10 22:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 2:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-11 9:37 ` pk
2012-03-11 12:16 ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-11 18:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-12 18:13 ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-11 20:59 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2012-03-12 18:23 ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-12 18:30 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-12 18:39 ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-12 20:25 ` Mick
2012-03-12 20:39 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-12 20:40 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-12 23:22 ` Dale
2012-03-12 23:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-13 15:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-13 15:50 ` Pandu Poluan [this message]
2012-03-13 1:58 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-13 4:54 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 7:13 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-13 7:31 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 7:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-13 8:03 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 11:07 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-13 18:34 ` pk
2012-03-14 16:17 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-14 16:28 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-14 22:15 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-15 1:03 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 2:47 ` Dale
2012-03-15 9:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 10:10 ` Dale
2012-03-15 10:18 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 12:41 ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-15 13:05 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 13:56 ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-15 14:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 14:13 ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-16 5:39 ` Joost Roeleveld
2012-03-16 8:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 14:09 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-15 14:47 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-15 16:37 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-16 18:14 ` Dale
2012-03-15 12:38 ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-13 8:09 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-13 8:20 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-14 14:21 ` Dale
2012-03-14 14:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-03-14 14:55 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 8:15 ` [gentoo-user] " Walter Dnes
2012-03-11 3:25 ` John Blinka
2012-03-10 17:13 ` Todd Goodman
2012-03-10 21:07 ` Dale
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