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From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:52:29 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA2qdGX25Qrc++jAzcedFoxLv7cTYyTagUm8mN0UTXegtZdhrg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOTuDKpXEBs2rGy=KcNRre1bgg9KJQxaGaV7MZJiXBbX07HnPw@mail.gmail.com>

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On Mar 18, 2012 9:44 AM, "Joshua Murphy" <poisonbl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > On 18/03/12 03:45, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >>
> <snip>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> * It tries to unify Linux behaviour among distros (some can argue that
> >> this is a bad thing): Using systemd, the same
> >> configurations/techniques work the same in every distribution. No more
> >> need to learn /etc/conf.d, /etc/sysconfig, /etc/default hacks by
> >> different distros.
> >
> >
> > Out of the things you listed, this strikes me as the most important.
Linux
> > really needs standards.  When I install software on Windows, it knows
how to
> > add its startup services.  On Linux, this is all manual work if your
distro
> > isn't supported, especially on Gentoo.  If there's no ebuild for it, you
> > spend your whole day trying to make it work.
> >
> >
>
> My day job's on the windows side of things... and as true as it is
> that the application developer knows the approach they're going to use
> today to get their piece of software to start when windows does (as
> often as not, doing so without the knowledge of the user), there's a
> *massive* range of ways to do just that, and they *do* vary as you
> move from one version of windows to the next... and tracking down
> what's actually starting at boot (and why) without tools explicitly
> created to give that information is an incredible amount of work on
> the side of the user and even the usual admin. I'm not sure I'd cite
> that as a positive benefit on the windows side of things...
>

True, that.

Case in point : a couple of months back, I had great trouble trying to
start the server service *after* the iSCSI service. Finally have to resort
on a script starting using Windows Scheduler (post-boot event)

On Linux, I *know* where services are started. The locations might be
different from one distro to another, but within one distro, there's
(usually) only 2 ways a service get started.

Plus, as a server guy, I don't really care if the boot up process is
faster; I need deterministic boot process, with as succinct instrumentation
as possible.

Rgds,

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Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-17  4:11 [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way! Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-17  4:19 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-17  4:37   ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-17  4:53     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-17  5:19 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-17  6:25 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-03-17 11:53   ` [gentoo-user] systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ] Alan Mackenzie
2012-03-18  0:48     ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-03-18  1:45       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-18  2:12         ` Nikos Chantziaras
2012-03-18  2:41           ` Joshua Murphy
2012-03-18  2:52             ` Pandu Poluan [this message]
2012-03-18  2:20         ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-18  2:30           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-18  3:02         ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-18  3:27           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-18  8:02         ` Graham Murray
2012-03-18  8:49           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-18 11:23             ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-18 19:25               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-18 19:48                 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-18 19:54                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-18 19:59                 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2012-03-19 13:33             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-19 13:57               ` Michael Mol
2012-03-18 13:15         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-18 13:56           ` Dale
2012-03-18 22:23           ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-18 22:35             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-19 22:58               ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-19 23:18                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-21  4:40                   ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-21 14:29                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-21 16:02                       ` Michael Mol
2012-03-21 22:55                         ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-22  1:35                           ` Michael Mol
2012-03-22 21:13                             ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-22 22:07                               ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-23  1:27                               ` Michael Mol
2012-03-29  6:52                           ` J. Roeleveld
2012-03-19 13:30         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-18  2:48       ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-18  2:57         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-18  4:17           ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-18  7:28             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-19 13:20               ` Eliezer Croitoru
2012-03-19 13:49                 ` Alex Schuster
2012-03-19 13:13         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-19 14:33           ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-19 23:11             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-17  8:00 ` [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way! Andrea Conti
2012-03-17 12:03   ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-19 13:17   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-19 13:27     ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-19 23:04     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-19 23:33       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-19 23:49         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-20  1:13           ` wdk@moriah
2012-03-20  8:41             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-17 11:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-03-17 12:05   ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-17 12:50 ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-17 12:54   ` Eliezer Croitoru
2012-03-17 14:03     ` Peter Humphrey
2012-03-18  9:52       ` Dale
2012-03-18 18:01         ` Eliezer Croitoru
2012-03-18 20:39           ` Dale
2012-03-18 22:28             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-19  0:30               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-19  2:03                 ` William Kenworthy
2012-03-19 13:40                   ` Eliezer Croitoru
2012-03-19 13:56                   ` Alex Schuster
2012-03-29  9:35                     ` [gentoo-user] chicken/eff issue with suspend-to-disk/hibernate problem [Was: The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!] J. Roeleveld
2012-03-29 10:40                       ` wdk@moriah
2012-03-29 13:51                         ` J. Roeleveld
2012-03-29 14:04                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-29 23:05                             ` wdk@moriah
2012-03-18 17:30     ` [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way! Tanstaafl
2012-03-17 14:08   ` Jarry
2012-03-19 13:25   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-17 15:10 ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-17 17:36   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-17 17:58     ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-17 18:38   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-03-17 19:40     ` pk
2012-03-17 20:09       ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-03-17 20:28         ` pk
2012-03-18  9:51           ` Dale
2012-03-18 13:03             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-18 13:52               ` Dale
2012-03-19 13:22         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-18 11:44       ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2012-03-17 20:15   ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2012-03-18  0:43     ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-18  2:18       ` William Kenworthy
2012-03-18  3:57       ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-18  6:30         ` Michael Mol
2012-03-18  7:26           ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-18  7:54             ` Michael Mol
2012-03-18 12:01               ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-18 12:47                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-03-18 13:23                   ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-18 14:08                     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-03-18 13:29           ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-18 17:38             ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-29  9:48           ` J. Roeleveld
2012-03-18 13:27         ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-17 23:02   ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2012-03-18  8:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Walter Dnes
2012-03-19  9:48 ` Helmut Jarausch

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