From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SHrQo-0000as-Es for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:53:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A42F4E0DD4; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (svr-us4.tirtonadi.com [69.65.43.212]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD9FE0E08 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SHrOt-004L4X-Uu for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:51:31 +0700 Received: by vbbfc26 with SMTP id fc26so501142vbb.40 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.90.178 with SMTP id bx18mr5818766vdb.123.1334127089165; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.190.12 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.190.12 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:51:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120411061135.GA11539@waltdnes.org> References: <20120410112621.GA10304@waltdnes.org> <271B3943-DE38-4A2B-B056-0A1BD1712956@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20120411061135.GA11539@waltdnes.org> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:51:28 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] PCI video cards, hardware accel, upported by open-source drivers? From: Pandu Poluan To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cffa3c260204bd61ab48 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Archives-Salt: 14868f4e-ea48-4dc4-8b3d-29a6c37ea9b2 X-Archives-Hash: 6dc1e13edd07fa8b7893f5c1e04c83aa --20cf3071cffa3c260204bd61ab48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Apr 11, 2012 1:15 PM, "Walter Dnes" wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 06:45:55PM +0100, Stroller wrote > > > I'm sceptical over the benefits of upgrading a 4 year old PC (short > > of ripping most all the guts out and starting again). I know the > > industry has currently settled on PCIe, but haven't bus speeds > > increased in the last 4 years? Are all the latest cards compatible > > with your Dell? If not, then you'll probably end up buying an older > > model, and then that will be sub-optimal when you want to upgrade > > your motherboard in a year's time. > > I've posted a snapshot of the Dell's internals on my ISP's personal > webspace at http://clients.teksavvy.com/~walterdnes/misc/dell2.jpg Is > the long black slot PCIe? What's the short black slot? > The long black slot looks like PCIe. To be precise, PCIe x16. The short black slot is PCIe x1, (originally) meant for low-bandwidth devices like a fax modem. > > I'm sorry if this reply is unhelpful, but you give a lot of information, > > and perhaps that means you might be open to considering alternative > > solutions to the core problem. > > If it's PCIe, so be it. Actually, a post that prevents me wasting > money is helpful . Would PCIe be significantly better on the same > CPU+GPU, or is it hype? > For games with huge 3D textures, absolutely. For video playback, not so much. But the main point would be that the newest graphics cards are all released in PCIe version only, and future mobos will all support PCIe, so it's a future-safe investment. Rgds, --20cf3071cffa3c260204bd61ab48 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Apr 11, 2012 1:15 PM, "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 06:45:55PM +0100, Stroller wrote
>
> > I'm sceptical over the benefits of upgrading a 4 year old PC = (short
> > of ripping most all the guts out and starting again). I know the<= br> > > industry has currently settled on PCIe, but haven't bus speed= s
> > increased in the last 4 years? Are all the latest cards compatibl= e
> > with your Dell? If not, then you'll probably end up buying an= older
> > model, and then that will be sub-optimal when you want to upgrade=
> > your motherboard in a year's time.
>
> =C2=A0I've posted a snapshot of the Dell's internals on my ISP= 's personal
> webspace at http://clients.teksavvy.com/~walterdnes/misc/dell2.jpg =C2=A0I= s
> the long black slot PCIe? =C2=A0What's the short black slot?
>

The long black slot looks like PCIe. To be precise, PCIe x16. The short = black slot is PCIe x1, (originally) meant for low-bandwidth devices like a = fax modem.

> > I'm sorry if this reply is unhelpful, but you give a lot o= f information,
> > and perhaps that means you might be open to considering alternati= ve
> > solutions to the core problem.
>
> =C2=A0If it's PCIe, so be it. =C2=A0Actually, a post that prevents= me wasting
> money is helpful <G>. =C2=A0Would PCIe be significantly better o= n the same
> CPU+GPU, or is it hype?
>

For games with huge 3D textures, absolutely. For video playback, not so = much.

But the main point would be that the newest graphics cards are all relea= sed in PCIe version only, and future mobos will all support PCIe, so it'= ;s a future-safe investment.

Rgds,

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