Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization

[Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info>]

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On Nov 14, 2012 10:02 AM, "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:20:42PM -0600, Dale wrote
> >
> > Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev.  Yeppie !!  Me,
> > I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run
> > when it gets ready.  Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope.
>
>   Might even get me to come back to udev.  I wonder which group will be
> setting the specs as far as "the official udev" is concerned.  The
> Gentoo devs should seek support from other distros and Linus himself.
> If we merely make a fork, and the systemd people still have the
> "official version", we'll be doomed to slavishly follow them in "bug
> compatability" mode.  What happens if/when Lennart gets his way?
>
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html
>
> > And what we will certainly not do is compromise the uniform integration
> > into systemd for some cosmetic improvements for non-systemd systems.
> >
> > (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case
> > you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we
> > can drop that support entirely.)
>
>   And that's probably not the only thing that the systemd people could
> do to jerk us around.  A successful fork would need to be one that
> hardware companies release drivers for, and that GNOME/KDE will support.
>
>   I still think that the fork team should look at where mdev doesn't
> match udev, and write shims to add the missing functionality.  The
> busybox people obviously don't want to bloat their minimal version.  But
> it already does most of what is needed, so some shims to add missing
> functionality there would be less effort than an entire udev fork.
>
> > I wonder what they will name it tho.
>
>   Howsabout calling it "Woodstock"?  We could even have our own cheer
>
> Gimmee an EFF
>
> EFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>
> Gimmee an OOO
>
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>
> Gimmee an ARR
>
> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>
> Gimmee a  KAY
>
> KAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>
> What's that spell?
>
> FORK!
>
> What's that spell?
>
> FORK!
>
> What's that spell?
>
> FORK!
>
>   Now all we need is a quarter of a million people screaming in unison.
>

LOL

Now seriously:

You should follow the discussion in -project. Someone (I forgot who
exactly) has made a personal commitment to within a month produce a
serviceable udev fork, at least a Proof of Concept. And IIRC, hwoarang is
going to 'test the waters' with Debian people.

So, this is not a pipe dream. It's happening, code will be produced, ...
and I bet some people will get offended ;-)

Rgds,
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