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On Dec 8, 2011 7:21 AM, "Harry Putnam" <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> This is a brand new install, and I've changed very little. I've done
> >> nothing consciously to effect how many jobs are to be run.
> >
> > In that case I think it is working normally. It won't run more than 1
> > job unless you ask it to do so.
>
> I followed another thread recently about this, and I understood the
> new behavior is set this way because emerge will be running more than
> 1 job and that would be a mess to put into one terminal... hence the
> line showing jobs.
>
> But if it is not default to run more than 1 job then why is the other
> (emerge) default in place, and blocking the normal output of -v?
>
-v affects only the list of packages being emerged, it no longer has any
effect on the build output.
> Seems like these defaults should all be on the same page.
>
> If emerge is not set to run more than 1 job at a time then the
> intrusive `--jobs ???? --load ????' baloney should not be in place by
> default either. But I'm sure our developers have much better reasons
> than I might dream up for doing it this (seemingly confusing) way.
>
It's not. The default is still "single job" and "no load limiting" but
"quietly build things"
> I'm not really complaining so much as just a little confused as to
> what is the reasoning for this change.
>
In the -project list, Zac explained his reasons. Some that I can recall:
* Computers are way too fast nowadays for us to properly peruse the build
output
* Gentoo newcomers are more likely to be confused by all those output. (And
my corollary: Gentoo oldtimers should be perfectly capable of finding out
how to disable quiet build ;-)
Rgds,
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<p><br>
On Dec 8, 2011 7:21 AM, "Harry Putnam" <<a href=3D"mailto:read=
er@newsguy.com">reader@newsguy.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Paul Hartman <<a href=3D"mailto:paul.hartman%2Bgentoo@gmail.com">pa=
ul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br>
><br>
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Harry Putnam <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:reader@newsguy.com">reader@newsguy.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> This is a brand new install, and I've changed very little=
. =C2=A0I've done<br>
> >> nothing consciously to effect how many jobs are to be run.<br=
>
> ><br>
> > In that case I think it is working normally. It won't run mor=
e than 1<br>
> > job unless you ask it to do so.<br>
><br>
> I followed another thread recently about this, and I understood the<br=
>
> new behavior is set this way because emerge will be running more than<=
br>
> 1 job and that would be a mess to put into one terminal... hence the<b=
r>
> line showing jobs.<br>
><br>
> But if it is not default to run more than 1 job then why is the other<=
br>
> (emerge) default in place, and blocking the normal output of -v?<br>
></p>
<p>-v affects only the list of packages being emerged, it no longer has any=
effect on the build output.</p>
<p>> Seems like these defaults should all be on the same page.<br>
><br>
> If emerge is not set to run more than 1 job at a time then the<br>
> intrusive `--jobs ???? --load ????' baloney should not be in place=
by<br>
> default either. =C2=A0 But I'm sure our developers have much bette=
r reasons<br>
> than I might dream up for doing it this (seemingly confusing) way.<br>
></p>
<p>It's not. The default is still "single job" and "no l=
oad limiting" but "quietly build things"</p>
<p>> I'm not really complaining so much as just a little confused as=
to<br>
> what is the reasoning for this change.<br>
></p>
<p>In the -project list, Zac explained his reasons. Some that I can recall:=
</p>
<p>* Computers are way too fast nowadays for us to properly peruse the buil=
d output</p>
<p>* Gentoo newcomers are more likely to be confused by all those output. (=
And my corollary: Gentoo oldtimers should be perfectly capable of finding o=
ut how to disable quiet build ;-) </p>
<p>Rgds,<br>
</p>
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