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From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Are "push" backups flawed?
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:25:51 +0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA2qdGW4UTzF+WYJy=FxNJmRRnG6UK3x7hSEEHtHOh0g+oCdrA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN0CFw3SWub1HnGs8TWChbqbu=t=MdQc5xsh_AV_JGX_5peJvg@mail.gmail.com>

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On Nov 12, 2011 12:58 AM, "Grant" <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A little while ago I set up an automated backup system to back up the
> data from 3 machines to a backup server.  I decided to use a
> push-style layout where the 3 machines push their data to the backup
> server.  Public SSH keys for the 3 machines are stored on the backup
> server and restricted to the rdiff-backup command.  Each of the 3
> machines pushes their data to the backup server as a different user
> and the top directory of each backup is chmod 700 to prevent any of
> the 3 machines from reading or writing a backup from another machine.
>
> I've run into a problem with this layout that I can't seem to solve,
> and I'm wondering if I should switch to a pull-style layout where the
> backup server pulls data from each of the 3 machines.
>
> The problem with my current push-style layout is that if one of the 3
> machines is compromised, the attacker can delete or alter the backup
> of the compromised machine on the backup server.  I can rsync the
> backups from the backup server to another machine, but if the backups
> are deleted or altered on the backup server, the rsync'ed copy on the
> next machine will also be deleted or altered.
>
> If I run a pull-style layout and the backup server is compromised, the
> attacker would have root read access to each of the 3 machines, but
> the attacker would already have access to backups from each of the 3
> machines stored on the backup server itself so that's not really an
> issue.  I would also have the added inconvenience of using openvpn or
> ssh -R for my laptop so the backup server can pull from it through any
> router.
>
> What do you think guys?  Are push-style backups flawed and unacceptable?
>

No, it's not flawed, as long as the implementation is right: versioning and
deduplication.

With versioning, an attacker (or infiltrator, in this matter) might try to
taint the backup, but all she can do is just push a new version to the
server. You can recover your data by reverting to a prior version.

The deduplication part is only to save storage space. It's less necessary
if you have a robust versioning system that can categorize each push as
either canonical/perpetual/permanent or ephemeral/temporary. The system can
just discard old ephemeral pushes when storage becomes critical.

Rgds,

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-11-11 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-11 17:55 [gentoo-user] {OT} Are "push" backups flawed? Grant
2011-11-11 18:15 ` Michael Mol
2011-11-11 18:27   ` Grant
2011-11-11 18:33     ` Michael Mol
2011-11-11 18:25 ` Pandu Poluan [this message]
2011-11-11 18:34   ` Grant
2011-11-11 18:56     ` Pandu Poluan
2011-11-11 19:14       ` Florian Philipp
2011-11-12  3:22         ` Pandu Poluan
2011-11-12  1:11 ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-11-12  2:22   ` Grant
2011-11-12  3:20     ` Pandu Poluan
2011-11-12  4:16       ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-11-12  4:32         ` Pandu Poluan
2011-11-13 18:03         ` Grant
2011-11-13 19:44           ` Florian Philipp
2011-11-15  0:43             ` Grant
2011-11-15  1:04               ` Michael Mol
2011-11-15  1:19                 ` Grant
2011-11-15  2:11                   ` Michael Mol
2011-11-15  2:32                     ` Grant
2011-11-15  2:37                       ` Michael Mol
2011-11-15  2:47                         ` Grant
2011-11-15  4:54                           ` Pandu Poluan
2011-11-15  7:18                       ` J. Roeleveld
2011-11-13 20:43           ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-11-15  0:46             ` Grant
2011-11-13 20:50           ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-11-15  1:54             ` Grant
2011-11-15 15:23               ` Michael Orlitzky
2011-11-12  4:10     ` Michael Orlitzky

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