From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:03:26 +0700 [thread overview]
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On Mar 13, 2012 2:41 PM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:31 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> >
> > On Mar 13, 2012 2:19 PM, "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:54:58 +0700
> >> Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> >>
> >> > > The idea of trying to launch udevd and initialize devices without
> >> > > the software, installed in /usr, which is required by those devices
> >> > > is a configuration that causes problems in many real-world,
> >> > > practical situations.
> >> > >
> >> > > The requirement of having /usr on the same partition as / is also a
> >> > > configuration that causes problems in many real-world, practical
> >> > > situations.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > I quite often read about this, and after some thinking, I have to
> >> > ask: why?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I've also thought about this and I also want to ask why?
> >>
> >> I stopped using a separate /usr on my workstations a long time ago when
> >> I realized it was pointless. The days of 5M hard disks when the entire
> >> OS didn't fit on one are long gone. The days of my software going tits
> >> up at the drop of a hat requiring a minimal repair environment to fix
> >> it at boot are also long gone (my desk is littered with LiveCDs and
> >> bootable flash drives).
> >>
> >> So I can't find a single good reason why /usr *must* be separate and my
> >> workstations are the only machines that will ever have hotplug booting
> >> issues.
> >>
> >> I'm even considering changing the install standards for the company
> >> servers to dispense with separate /usr, as long as there are safeguards
> >> against clowns who don't read INSTALL files and happily
> >> accept /usr/local/<package>/var as a storage area.
> >>
> >
> > I just did some more thinking, and *maybe* the reason is to prevent
> > something under /usr (src and share comes to mind) from growing too big
and
> > messes up the root filesystem.
> >
> > Place the offenders on a separate partition, then mount them under
/usr, and
> > all should be well...
>
> The always used example is to have /usr shared as a read only NFS
> partition among several workstations. In corporate environments it is
> certainly used this way (or at least it was when I worked, and the way
> I used it in my office seven or eight years ago).
>
> Of course, for a normal desktop user, a separate /usr is basically
useless.
>
Ah, thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.
Rgds,
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2012-03-10 2:48 [gentoo-user] LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts Dale
2012-03-10 3:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10 4:16 ` Dale
2012-03-10 5:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10 6:03 ` Dale
2012-03-10 8:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 9:45 ` Dale
2012-03-10 9:52 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 9:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 10:30 ` Dale
2012-03-10 10:49 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 11:28 ` Dale
2012-03-10 11:12 ` William Kenworthy
2012-03-10 10:58 ` pk
2012-03-10 15:35 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-10 20:50 ` pk
2012-03-10 21:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-10 22:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-11 2:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-11 9:37 ` pk
2012-03-11 12:16 ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-11 18:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-12 18:13 ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-11 20:59 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2012-03-12 18:23 ` Jorge Martínez López
2012-03-12 18:30 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-12 18:39 ` Bruce Hill, Jr.
2012-03-12 20:25 ` Mick
2012-03-12 20:39 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-12 20:40 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-12 23:22 ` Dale
2012-03-12 23:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-13 15:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-13 15:50 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 1:58 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-13 4:54 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 7:13 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-13 7:31 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 7:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-13 8:03 ` Pandu Poluan [this message]
2012-03-13 11:07 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-13 18:34 ` pk
2012-03-14 16:17 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-14 16:28 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-14 22:15 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-15 1:03 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-15 2:47 ` Dale
2012-03-15 9:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 10:10 ` Dale
2012-03-15 10:18 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 12:41 ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-15 13:05 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 13:56 ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-15 14:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 14:13 ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-16 5:39 ` Joost Roeleveld
2012-03-16 8:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-15 14:09 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-15 14:47 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-15 16:37 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-16 18:14 ` Dale
2012-03-15 12:38 ` Tanstaafl
2012-03-13 8:09 ` Walter Dnes
2012-03-13 8:20 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-14 14:21 ` Dale
2012-03-14 14:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-03-14 14:55 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-03-13 8:15 ` [gentoo-user] " Walter Dnes
2012-03-11 3:25 ` John Blinka
2012-03-10 17:13 ` Todd Goodman
2012-03-10 21:07 ` Dale
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