From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RWdsp-0004iD-0R for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:55:15 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7666821C0BD; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 00:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (svr-us4.tirtonadi.com [69.65.43.212]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521B321C024 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 00:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWdre-003NxW-B0 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 07:54:02 +0700 Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so2164779wgb.10 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:53:58 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.24.21 with SMTP id w21mr72118wew.57.1322873638239; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.71 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.71 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:53:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4ED92EF3.8050508@gmail.com> References: <4ED92EF3.8050508@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 07:53:58 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse From: Pandu Poluan To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364d1dc34a3c1304b3258516 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Archives-Salt: 15ef8b2f-f82b-4fa1-b5c4-52d67bbdbf81 X-Archives-Hash: 5a6f7bc4e687302adec6d7b1b6530676 --0016364d1dc34a3c1304b3258516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, "Dale" wrote: > > LinuxIsOne wrote: >> >> Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but don't know about all Linux in general....is Gentoo is also using the same Linux which Ubuntu is using? Cheers. > > > "Better" depends on what you expect. If you want to learn about Linux, Gentoo will teach you a lot. Heck, you will learn a lot by the time you get it installed and get to your first boot prompt. I get the impression that you don't realize how in depth Gentoo is. Gentoo can be installed by a Linux newcomer but it will not be a walk in the park. I used Mandrake for 6 months or so and it took me about 3 tries to get to a point where Gentoo would boot up. It took a while more to get everything working still. I had to redo my kernel several times. > > The point I am making is, it is not how different Gentoo is from other distros, it's whether it is something you need and want to put the time in to learn. Gentoo doesn't have a GUI installer and you do have to compile everything you install. I recently installed Kubuntu for my Brother. It is a walk in the park compared to installing Gentoo. Did I learn anything about Linux, not hardly. I don't think Kubuntu is made to teach a lot about Linux. It's just made to install easily and quickly without much fuss. > > I do hope you will try Gentoo tho. It is sort of addicting at times. lol > Indeed! Especially control freaks like me :-) But seriously, I personally found Gentoo to be the most logical Linux distro. Yes, the initial barrier (installation) is daunting, so to speak, but after doing it successfully, one can immediately intuit "what's going on". Installing and configuring other packages becomes piece of cake. The logical way of Gentoo even extends to its packages. For instance, packages that are meant to be run as services/daemons will *certainly* have a pair of files in conf.d and init.d. Customizable environs are in env.d and profile.d. And so on. I've used Linux exclusively as servers, and I have dabbled with Red Hat, CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, and Arch, but Gentoo wins hands down for its logicality. Not to mention that I can customize my servers exactly to my specifications, instead of having to put up with cruft that the distro maintainer feel as a "must have". Case in point : how many distros allow you to choose which cron daemon you want to use? Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of the box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that hasn't made it yet to the portage tree, I can just download and compile it myself. Related to that, is the great job Portage did regarding dependency hell. Since I am no longer hostage to the whims of the distro maintainer re: versions of libraries installed, if a program needs a library that's newer than the current 'stable' version, I can just keyword the needed version and compile away. Rgds, --0016364d1dc34a3c1304b3258516 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
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> LinuxIsOne wrote:
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>> Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better= for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...= that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nic= e) but don't know about all Linux in general....is Gentoo is also using= the same Linux which Ubuntu is using? Cheers.
>
>
> "Better" depends on what you expect. =C2=A0If you want to le= arn about Linux, Gentoo will teach you a lot. =C2=A0Heck, you will learn a = lot by the time you get it installed and get to your first boot prompt. =C2= =A0I get the impression that you don't realize how in depth Gentoo is. = =C2=A0Gentoo can be installed by a Linux newcomer but it will not be a walk= in the park. =C2=A0I used Mandrake for 6 months or so and it took me about= 3 tries to get to a point where Gentoo would boot up. =C2=A0It took a whil= e more to get everything working still. =C2=A0I had to redo my kernel sever= al times.
>
> The point I am making is, it is not how different Gentoo is from other= distros, it's whether it is something you need and want to put the tim= e in to learn. =C2=A0Gentoo doesn't have a GUI installer and you do hav= e to compile everything you install. =C2=A0I recently installed Kubuntu for= my Brother. =C2=A0It is a walk in the park compared to installing Gentoo. = =C2=A0Did I learn anything about Linux, not hardly. =C2=A0I don't think= Kubuntu is made to teach a lot about Linux. =C2=A0It's just made to in= stall easily and quickly without much fuss.
>
> I do hope you will try Gentoo tho. =C2=A0It is sort of addicting at ti= mes. =C2=A0lol
>

Indeed! Especially control freaks like me :-)

But seriously, I personally found Gentoo to be the most logical Linux di= stro. Yes, the initial barrier (installation) is daunting, so to speak, but= after doing it successfully, one can immediately intuit "what's g= oing on". Installing and configuring other packages becomes piece of= =C2=A0 cake.

The logical way of Gentoo even extends to its packages. For instance, pa= ckages that are meant to be run as services/daemons will *certainly* have a= pair of files in conf.d and init.d. Customizable environs are in env.d and= profile.d. And so on.

I've used Linux exclusively as servers, and I have dabbled with Red = Hat, CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, and Arch, but Gentoo wins hands down for its l= ogicality.

Not to mention that I can customize my servers exactly to my specificati= ons, instead of having to put up with cruft that the distro maintainer feel= as a "must have". Case in point : how many distros allow you to = choose which cron daemon you want to use?

Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of th= e box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that ha= sn't made it yet to the portage tree, I can just download and compile i= t myself.

Related to that, is the great job Portage did regarding dependency hell.= Since I am no longer hostage to the whims of the distro maintainer re: ver= sions of libraries installed, if a program needs a library that's newer= than the current 'stable' version, I can just keyword the needed v= ersion and compile away.

Rgds,

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