From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-132303-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1RZO08-00055M-Cv for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:34:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61CA321C23F; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (svr-us4.tirtonadi.com [69.65.43.212]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE64A21C07D for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <pandu@poluan.info>) id 1RZNz5-003AJ1-Aa for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:33:03 +0700 Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so7276021wgb.10 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:32:57 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.8 with SMTP id v8mr1234696wee.42.1323527577450; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.70 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.103.70 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:32:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAG-YhMuoiSYBj+u2dQhpwMRsithkLfu7_tNVCRE+2J90u1McZQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <i4JK9-7dj-15@gated-at.bofh.it> <CA+czFiBB6f_62aKu-HKVJBoC-a+Oai3Zz=V3fw7NATgj74qz=g@mail.gmail.com> <CAG-YhMtLtqSx5E7n+iR1ELP1-3QhKM=W-SZCjFBnv4iTnMr-dA@mail.gmail.com> <201112082009.36698.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20111208221108.GF13528@eisen.lan> <CAG-YhMuoiSYBj+u2dQhpwMRsithkLfu7_tNVCRE+2J90u1McZQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:32:56 +0700 Message-ID: <CAA2qdGVAnx6x+XZaeZepoGgNM9YJp607yMAh-yEiYspCrebQcw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse From: Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db2dc11ab9d404b3bdc75a X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Archives-Salt: 85b29842-1787-4abc-a85d-2952effc43fb X-Archives-Hash: 6b299d70d2817396b8cad963efab1034 --0016e6db2dc11ab9d404b3bdc75a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, "LinuxIsOne" <linuxisone@gmail.com> wrote: > ----- >8 snip > > I have come to conclusion that almost all Linux work almost in the same way since they have the same kernel, however, this is what I think. I don't mean to scare you, but most Linux distros work differently. First, there might be differences in how they install a package. There's RPM, apt, pacman, portage, and others. Second, there are differences in the "init" system. Gentoo users OpenRC, Ubuntu uses upstart, and others use SysVinit, systemd, and so on. And even you can't guarantee that the kernels are the same. Many distros introduce their own distro-specific patches to the vanilla kernel. With Gentoo, it's even more complicated, as most experienced Gentooroids will configure and compile their own kernels. (The last paragraph, however, is the reason why Gentoo is so secure: attackers can't be sure that the vuln they're targeting is located at the right spot, *if* the vuln exists at all. Throw in hardened patches like GrSecurity, PAX, and SELinux... well, you get the idea.) ((No wonder NASDAQ uses Gentoo for its infrastructure)) Rgds, --0016e6db2dc11ab9d404b3bdc75a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p><br> On Dec 10, 2011 8:50 PM, "LinuxIsOne" <<a href=3D"mailto:linux= isone@gmail.com">linuxisone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> ></p> <p>----- >8 snip</p> <p>><br> > I have come to conclusion that almost all Linux work almost in the sam= e way since they have the same kernel, however, this is what I think.</p> <p>I don't mean to scare you, but most Linux distros work differently.<= /p> <p>First, there might be differences in how they install a package. There&#= 39;s RPM, apt, pacman, portage, and others.</p> <p>Second, there are differences in the "init" system. Gentoo use= rs OpenRC, Ubuntu uses upstart, and others use SysVinit, systemd, and so on= .</p> <p>And even you can't guarantee that the kernels are the same. Many dis= tros introduce their own distro-specific patches to the vanilla kernel. Wit= h Gentoo, it's even more complicated, as most experienced Gentooroids w= ill configure and compile their own kernels.</p> <p>(The last paragraph, however, is the reason why Gentoo is so secure: att= ackers can't be sure that the vuln they're targeting is located at = the right spot, *if* the vuln exists at all. Throw in hardened patches like= GrSecurity, PAX, and SELinux... well, you get the idea.)</p> <p>((No wonder NASDAQ uses Gentoo for its infrastructure))</p> <p>Rgds,<br> </p> --0016e6db2dc11ab9d404b3bdc75a--