[gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Pandu Poluan]

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So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
environments.

http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280


Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.

Rgds,

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[gentoo-user] Re: OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Pandu Poluan]

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On Jun 17, 2012 4:42 PM, "Pandu Poluan" <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>
> So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
environments.
>
>
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280

>
> Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.
>

Here's the mobile version of the above:

http://m.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280

Rgds,

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
> from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
> environments.
>
> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280
>
> Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.

In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
desktop.

I like GNOME 3, therefore I use it. I like systemd, therefore I use
it. I like Emacs, therefore I use it. If someone else wants to use
KDE, OpenRC, and Vim, it's none of my business. To each his own.

There is no "best" desktop environment. There are only preferences.

I like GNOME 3 a lot, and (in my personal case) it has helped me to
actually improve my productivity in my what I do; other users may
experience the opposite, even if they do exactly the same things I do.
Other users maybe do something completely different, and they may also
benefit from GNOME 3.

Really, use whatever floats your boat. And if you don't like a
particular software (or developer, or design), then simply don't use
it.

I really, really, *really* don't like KDE. I have never done (and I
tried versions 1, 2, and 3; I lost interest in trying for version 4);
but I have *never* told anyone that they should not use it, nor
criticized their users and developers. It's none of my business; I
don't like it, therefore I don't use it.

Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho
ajeno es la paz. Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the
rights of others is peace.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Keith Dart]

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Canek Peláez Valdés said:
> Really, use whatever floats your boat. And if you don't like a
> particular software (or developer, or design), then simply don't use
> it.

That's the really nice thing about the Linux platform. You have
choices.  But it seems to be human nature that as soon as you have
choices people will argue over what's "best". 

But I like choices. This is also why I use Gentoo Linux. :-)


BTW, I recently eradicated Gnome from my systems. I'm strictly XFCE
now. I'm happy and thankful to the xfce developers to have that choice.


-- Keith


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2012, 11:52:48 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> > So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
> > from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
> > environments.
> > 
> > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-li
> > nux-desktop-environment-1045280
> > 
> > Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.
> 
> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
> desktop.
> 
> I like GNOME 3, therefore I use it. I like systemd, therefore I use
> it. I like Emacs, therefore I use it. If someone else wants to use
> KDE, OpenRC, and Vim, it's none of my business. To each his own.

one question - how can you call something that doesn't even let you change the 
fonts call a 'desktop environment'?

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#163933

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Alecks Gates]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2012, 11:52:48 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>> > So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
>> > from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
>> > environments.
>> >
>> > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-li
>> > nux-desktop-environment-1045280
>> >
>> > Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.
>>
>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
>> desktop.
>>
>> I like GNOME 3, therefore I use it. I like systemd, therefore I use
>> it. I like Emacs, therefore I use it. If someone else wants to use
>> KDE, OpenRC, and Vim, it's none of my business. To each his own.
>
> one question - how can you call something that doesn't even let you change the
> fonts call a 'desktop environment'?
>
> --
> #163933
>

Ignoring the fact that I *can* change the font, why should I have to?
It's fine as it is for me ;).

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2012, 11:52:48 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>> > So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
>> > from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
>> > environments.
>> >
>> > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-li
>> > nux-desktop-environment-1045280
>> >
>> > Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.
>>
>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
>> desktop.
>>
>> I like GNOME 3, therefore I use it. I like systemd, therefore I use
>> it. I like Emacs, therefore I use it. If someone else wants to use
>> KDE, OpenRC, and Vim, it's none of my business. To each his own.
>
> one question - how can you call something that doesn't even let you change the
> fonts call a 'desktop environment'?

Really? I try to write a conciliatory post about how we should respect
each others preferences and that's the first thing you respond?

To all of us who actually believe that everyone has the right to like
whatever they choose, please don't feed the trolls. The intent of my
post was exactly to prevent flame wars.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Walter Dnes]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote

> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
> desktop.

  My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
don't run desktops, I run applications. I use ICEWM with my most-used
apps in the launch menu and launchbar.  "Desktop" users moving to LXDE
or XFCE is perfectly understandable.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
>
>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
>> desktop.
>
>    My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
> don't run desktops, I run applications.

It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than 
each application inventing the same things in a different and 
incompatible way.  This is why DEs are so popular.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Michael Mol]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
>>
>>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
>>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
>>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
>>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
>>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
>>> desktop.
>>
>>
>>   My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
>> don't run desktops, I run applications.
>
>
> It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than each
> application inventing the same things in a different and incompatible way.
>  This is why DEs are so popular.

We had a unified look and feel...but nobody liked that particular Motif. ;)

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[gentoo-user] Re: OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 18/06/12 00:33, Michael Mol wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
>>>
>>>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
>>>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
>>>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
>>>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
>>>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
>>>> desktop.
>>>
>>>
>>>    My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
>>> don't run desktops, I run applications.
>>
>>
>> It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than each
>> application inventing the same things in a different and incompatible way.
>>   This is why DEs are so popular.
>
> We had a unified look and feel...but nobody liked that particular Motif. ;)

That was a corporate Unix thing though, not desktop Linux.  Good 
riddance :-P

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2012, 17:33:58 schrieb Michael Mol:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
> >> 
> >>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
> >>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
> >>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
> >>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
> >>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
> >>> desktop.
> >> 
> >>   My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
> >> don't run desktops, I run applications.
> > 
> > It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than
> > each
> > application inventing the same things in a different and incompatible way.
> >  This is why DEs are so popular.
> 
> We had a unified look and feel...but nobody liked that particular Motif. ;)

and it wasn't even that unified. And certainly not the feel with every 
application reacting differently to some keypress.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Michael Hampicke]

Am 17.06.2012 23:33, schrieb Michael Mol:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
>>>
>>>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
>>>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
>>>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
>>>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
>>>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
>>>> desktop.
>>>
>>>
>>>   My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
>>> don't run desktops, I run applications.
>>
>>
>> It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than each
>> application inventing the same things in a different and incompatible way.
>>  This is why DEs are so popular.
> 
> We had a unified look and feel...but nobody liked that particular Motif. ;)
> 

Haha, that one made me smile :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:17:46 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> >    My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their
> > houses"; I don't run desktops, I run applications.  
> 
> It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than 
> each application inventing the same things in a different and 
> incompatible way.  This is why DEs are so popular.

There's more to a DE than that. On as multitasking system, applications
are not run in isolation. A integrated system allows applications to
work together rather than just running at the same time.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

This tagline is baroque; please call Bach.

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Pandu Poluan]

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On Jun 17, 2012 11:57 PM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> > So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
> > from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
> > environments.
> >
> >
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280
> >
> > Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.
>
> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
> desktop.
>
> I like GNOME 3, therefore I use it. I like systemd, therefore I use
> it. I like Emacs, therefore I use it. If someone else wants to use
> KDE, OpenRC, and Vim, it's none of my business. To each his own.
>
> There is no "best" desktop environment. There are only preferences.
>

Agree. Which is why I wrote the word "Best" between single quotes. The
whole sentence itself comes from the original title of the article; the
single quotes are mine.

Rgds,

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Michael Mol]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
> from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
> environments.
>
> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280
>
> Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.

For me? I like using awesomewm where I can, though sometimes I switch
to XFCE where useful. KDE isn't bad, except for compile times; I'm not
enough of a KDE power user to really be affected by the differences
between KDE3 and KDE4.

I tend to recommend LXDE, XFCE or GNOME to Linux newcomers, depending
on where they're coming from. LXDE is an excellent choice if the
newbie hails from WinXP, for example. XFCE is reasonable for Mac or
late-model Windows users. GNOME (either 2 or 3) is reasonable for
low-end users.

I don't deal with many "I don't want to touch it" users, but for
those, I found netbook-oriented window managers work best. The less
the user has to think about the interface, the more they can get on to
complaining about apps.


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:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Paul Hartman]

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
> from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
> environments.
>
> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280
>
> Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.

I use KDE on my desktop (fast CPU, can afford to compile Qt+KDE
stuff). But honestly the only KDE apps I really use are Konsole,
Okular and whatever app it is that pops up when you press Alt-F2. I
don't use widgets or activities, never used Dolphin, etc. 99% of the
time my desktop is fullscreen Konsole with a bunch of tabs open
(mostly with MC running in them).

I use Xfce on my old laptop (Athlon64 3000+ CPU). Default theme with
the rat. I don't use Konsole so I can avoid compiling Qt/KDE. Use the
Xfce terminal instead.

I use LXDE when a minimalistic (but modern and user-friendly) X
environment is needed.

I've never used Gnome in daily life on my own computers and my total
experience with it is limited to Live CDs or troubleshooting other
peoples' computers.

In the olden days (to me) I liked to use Windowmaker in Slackware on
my 90MHz Pentium. ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: 'Best' Desktop Environment

[Claudio Roberto França Pereira]

I also use awesome, but have tried KDE 3 and 4, Gnome 2 and 3, XFCE,
LXDE and some others. I found out that I want to know what are the
programs that I run, so the meta + r shortcut combines perfectly, and
make me think about what is that launcher software, that compositing
software, that pdf viewer, that file manager, etc.