From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RizNM-0008Kb-9M for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:17:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C471A21C2BF; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (svr-us4.tirtonadi.com [69.65.43.212]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D2521C18C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RizLQ-000MTb-EN for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:15:48 +0700 Received: by werm12 with SMTP id m12so1013184wer.40 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:15:44 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.139.204 with SMTP id c54mr2149017wej.13.1325816144048; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.78.208 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:15:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.78.208 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:15:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F065220.30004@gmail.com> References: <20120103131346.GC2410@nicolas-desktop> <20120103143120.GF2410@nicolas-desktop> <20120103221555.22c778a3@digimed.co.uk> <4F038C23.5030708@gmail.com> <20120105100149.GA2443@nicolas-desktop> <20120105220807.GC1263@vidovic> <20120106001036.5974967a@rohan.example.com> <4F065220.30004@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:15:43 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3 From: Pandu Poluan To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99fa44db14504b5d2a077 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Archives-Salt: 660364cf-908a-4198-b175-e50b0df54778 X-Archives-Hash: 5e27e49100106cf0dd1896fccc200ed0 --0016e6d99fa44db14504b5d2a077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Jan 6, 2012 8:50 AM, "Dale" wrote: > > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> I see that as a liability not a feature. Our routers have very clear naming conventions for interfaces and they are exactly how Cisco enumerates them and no other way. It's a firing offense to dick with them and dream up useless "descriptive names". Mind you, these for the most part are big iron with several 1000 interfaces each and 100+ support personnel working on them. But even the on-site routers and firewalls at customer premises have the same rule. I assume we are talking about kit that routes properly (whether a Unix or something else is not relevant) and not some joke system. As for NICs that do not come up at boot time in a consistent order, if any piece of hardware in our DC did that it would be sent right back to the vendor labeled as a piece of shit with a demand for a refund. FFS, if my boss shells out 3 months wages for some iron and it can't even get something that basic correct, I start to wonder what else might be dodgy. There is ZERO excuse for a system that cannot deterministically enumerate it's fixed devices at boot time. > > > I have a couple desktop rigs. I had a card that would sometimes not do right and change the order of my cards numbering. Since it was earlier than the card that hooked to my modem, it would mess up my connection to the internet. The card was eth0 and I had internet coming through on eth2. That rig now has two nics. The defective nic was removed. It has a new address called /dev/dump. > > It may be a desktop rig but I like them being recognized the same each time I reboot. Although, I forgot about being able to give them names. < scratches chin > Nah, I'll leave well enough alone. It's working and we don't mess with what is working, except for Fedora devs. lol > mdev is capable of renaming devices, you know ;-) https://svn.mcs.anl.gov/repos/ZeptoOS/trunk/BGP/packages/busybox/src/docs/mdev.txt Rgds, --0016e6d99fa44db14504b5d2a077 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Jan 6, 2012 8:50 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Alan McKinnon wrote:
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>> I see that as a liability not a feature. Our routers have very cle= ar naming conventions for interfaces and they are exactly how Cisco enumera= tes them and no other way. It's a firing offense to dick with them and = dream up useless "descriptive names". Mind you, these for the mos= t part are big iron with several 1000 interfaces each and 100+ support pers= onnel working on them. But even the on-site routers and firewalls at custom= er premises have the same rule. I assume we are talking about kit that rout= es properly (whether a Unix or something else is not relevant) and not some= joke system. As for NICs that do not come up at boot time in a consistent = order, if any piece of hardware in our DC did that it would be sent right b= ack to the vendor labeled as a piece of shit with a demand for a refund. FF= S, if my boss shells out 3 months wages for some iron and it can't even= get something that basic correct, I start to wonder what else might be dod= gy. There is ZERO excuse for a system that cannot deterministically enumera= te it's fixed devices at boot time.
>
>
> I have a couple desktop rigs. =C2=A0I had a card that would sometimes = not do right and change the order of my cards numbering. =C2=A0Since it was= earlier than the card that hooked to my modem, it would mess up my connect= ion to the internet. =C2=A0The card was eth0 and I had internet coming thro= ugh on eth2. =C2=A0That rig now has two nics. =C2=A0The defective nic was r= emoved. =C2=A0It has a new address called /dev/dump.
>
> It may be a desktop rig but I like them being recognized the same each= time I reboot. =C2=A0Although, I forgot about being able to give them name= s. < scratches chin > =C2=A0Nah, I'll leave well enough alone. = =C2=A0It's working and we don't mess with what is working, except f= or Fedora devs. =C2=A0lol
>

mdev is capable of renaming devices, you know ;-)

https://svn.mcs.anl.gov/repos/ZeptoOS/trunk/BGP/pac= kages/busybox/src/docs/mdev.txt

Rgds,

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