[gentoo-user] gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[gentoo-user] gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[András Csányi]

Dear All,

I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list
with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine
the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to
authenticate.

I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the
setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution
for this?

Thanks in advance!

András

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--  Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando)  -- http://sayusi.hu --
http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi
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Re: [gentoo-user] gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Stroller]

On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, András Csányi wrote:
> … I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
> sender email address. …  Do you know any solution
> for this?

Use a different SMTP server. 

I don't believe there's any alternative. 

Have you considered Postfix?

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[András Csányi]

On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, András Csányi wrote:
>> … I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
>> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
>> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
>> sender email address. …  Do you know any solution
>> for this?
>
> Use a different SMTP server.
>
> I don't believe there's any alternative.
>
> Have you considered Postfix?

What do you mean when you say Postfix? If I use postfix and google
smtp is the relay always happens the same. The sender will be
overwritten.
Thanks God, yahoo mail doesn't do this! Now, I use yahoo smtp.
Unfortunately I can't use yahoo smtp as relay with postfix because
there is an issue with STARTLS and a hack is needed. Yesterday I was
to tired to reconfigure the whole. Mutt is able to use remote smtp so
I can send emails.

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--  Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando)  -- http://sayusi.hu --
http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi
--  ""Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry!" - Cromwell

Re: [gentoo-user] gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[felix]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:22:34PM +0100, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
> On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
> >> ??? I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
> >> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
> >> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
> >> sender email address. ??? ??Do you know any solution
> >> for this?
> >
> > Use a different SMTP server.
> >
> > I don't believe there's any alternative.
> >
> > Have you considered Postfix?
> 
> What do you mean when you say Postfix?

I think Stroller may have confused gee-mail and queue-mail.  The only
reason I looked at this thread was becaue 'g' and 'q' do look similar,
and I thought it might be about qmail.  qmail is a mailer program,
like Postfix, sendmail, and so on, whereas gmail is a mail domain,
like yahoo, hotmail, etc.

If I'm wrong, apologies all around.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Stroller]

On 12 March 2012, at 14:59, felix@crowfix.com wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:22:34PM +0100, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
>> On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
>>>> ??? I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
>>>> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
>>>> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
>>>> sender email address. ??? ??Do you know any solution
>>>> for this?
>>> 
>>> Use a different SMTP server.
>>> 
>>> I don't believe there's any alternative.
>>> 
>>> Have you considered Postfix?
>> 
>> What do you mean when you say Postfix?
> 
> I think Stroller may have confused gee-mail and queue-mail.  The only
> reason I looked at this thread was becaue 'g' and 'q' do look similar,
> and I thought it might be about qmail.  qmail is a mailer program,
> like Postfix, sendmail, and so on, whereas gmail is a mail domain,
> like yahoo, hotmail, etc.


No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use anyone else's SMTP server, or you can choose (I think) to use relays only for certain from: domains. I.E. use Gmail's SMTP server for those messages, not for messages from @sayusi.hu.

However there had been a number of other replies by the time I read the list again, and it seemed like András had already got something working and there was no need for me to expand.

Stroller.

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-03-12, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 12 March 2012, at 14:59, felix@crowfix.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:22:34PM +0100, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
>>> On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
>>>>> ??? I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
>>>>> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
>>>>> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
>>>>> sender email address. ??? ??Do you know any solution
>>>>> for this?
>>>> 
>>>> Use a different SMTP server.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't believe there's any alternative.
>>>> 
>>>> Have you considered Postfix?
>>> 
>>> What do you mean when you say Postfix?
>> 
>> I think Stroller may have confused gee-mail and queue-mail.  The only
>> reason I looked at this thread was becaue 'g' and 'q' do look similar,
>> and I thought it might be about qmail.  qmail is a mailer program,
>> like Postfix, sendmail, and so on, whereas gmail is a mail domain,
>> like yahoo, hotmail, etc.
>
> No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use
> anyone else's SMTP server,

If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and
whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon
senders of mail.

I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine.  More
recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I
had to start using mail relays.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! My polyvinyl cowboy
                                  at               wallet was made in Hong
                              gmail.com            Kong by Montgomery Clift!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Mick]

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On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2012-03-12, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 12 March 2012, at 14:59, felix@crowfix.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 02:22:34PM +0100, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
> >>> On 11 March 2012 13:49, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> On 10 March 2012, at 20:56, Andr??s Cs??nyi wrote:
> >>>>> ??? I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to
> >>>>> send my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email
> >>>>> address is sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always
> >>>>> overwrite the sender email address. ??? ??Do you know any solution
> >>>>> for this?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Use a different SMTP server.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I don't believe there's any alternative.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Have you considered Postfix?
> >>> 
> >>> What do you mean when you say Postfix?
> >> 
> >> I think Stroller may have confused gee-mail and queue-mail.  The only
> >> reason I looked at this thread was becaue 'g' and 'q' do look similar,
> >> and I thought it might be about qmail.  qmail is a mailer program,
> >> like Postfix, sendmail, and so on, whereas gmail is a mail domain,
> >> like yahoo, hotmail, etc.
> > 
> > No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use
> > anyone else's SMTP server,
> 
> If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and
> whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon
> senders of mail.
> 
> I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine.  More
> recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I
> had to start using mail relays.

Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted?  Many ISPs IP address blocks are 
blacklisted these days.  Also some ISPs are blocking ports (like 25 and 2525) 
to minimise spam sent out of compromised boxen.  They would typically allow 
you to relay through their mailservers though.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-03-14, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2012-03-12, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use
>>> anyone else's SMTP server,
>> 
>> If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and
>> whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon
>> senders of mail.
>> 
>> I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine.  More
>> recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I
>> had to start using mail relays.
>
> Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address
> blocks are blacklisted these days.  

I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by
the destination SMTP server.  Even though I had a static IP address
and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites
wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used
for DSL customers (of which I was one).

> Also some ISPs are blocking ports (like 25 and 2525) to minimise spam
> sent out of compromised boxen.  They would typically allow you to
> relay through their mailservers though.

I've never run into that, but I know people who have.

In either case, I wouldn't advise anybody to try using their own SMTP
server to deliver mail directly to destinations unless they have their
own domain, their own IP block, and the time+skills require to fight
with the problems.  Anybody with the requisite resources and skills
probably wouldn't be asking questions here about how to use Gmail's
SMTP server.

-- 
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                                  at               
                              gmail.com            

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Michael Mol]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards
<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-03-14, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday 12 Mar 2012 18:34:37 Grant Edwards wrote:
>>> On 2012-03-12, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, I simply meant that if you use Postfix you don't have to use
>>>> anyone else's SMTP server,
>>>
>>> If you've got a static IP address, a domain, an MX record, and
>>> whatever other requirements a lot of sites are now placing upon
>>> senders of mail.
>>>
>>> I used to use my own SMTP server, 10 years ago it worked fine.  More
>>> recently, too many destinations wouldn't accept mail from me -- so I
>>> had to start using mail relays.
>>
>> Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address
>> blocks are blacklisted these days.
>
> I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by
> the destination SMTP server.  Even though I had a static IP address
> and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites
> wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used
> for DSL customers (of which I was one).

Yeah, I can't even send email to my gmail account from my Comcast
public IPv4 address.

>
>> Also some ISPs are blocking ports (like 25 and 2525) to minimise spam
>> sent out of compromised boxen.  They would typically allow you to
>> relay through their mailservers though.
>
> I've never run into that, but I know people who have.
>
> In either case, I wouldn't advise anybody to try using their own SMTP
> server to deliver mail directly to destinations unless they have their
> own domain, their own IP block, and the time+skills require to fight
> with the problems.  Anybody with the requisite resources and skills
> probably wouldn't be asking questions here about how to use Gmail's
> SMTP server.

My workaround involved relaying my network's outgoing email through my
VPS node's email server. (My VPS provider, prgmr.com, doesn't seem to
be on any blocklists, etc.)

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Mick]

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On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 14:51:10 Michael Mol wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards
> 
> <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2012-03-14, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address
> >> blocks are blacklisted these days.
> > 
> > I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by
> > the destination SMTP server.  Even though I had a static IP address
> > and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites
> > wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used
> > for DSL customers (of which I was one).
> 
> Yeah, I can't even send email to my gmail account from my Comcast
> public IPv4 address.

Have you tried using port 587?  Comcast should accept relaying on that port 
IIRC with your customer username/passwd.

Or are you saying that Google will not accept incoming mail from Comcast 
addresses/IP blocks?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Michael Mol]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 14:51:10 Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Grant Edwards
>>
>> <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 2012-03-14, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Perhaps your mail address was blacklisted? Many ISPs IP address
>> >> blocks are blacklisted these days.
>> >
>> > I know that was sometimes the case from the rejection message sent by
>> > the destination SMTP server.  Even though I had a static IP address
>> > and an valid MX entry for the sending machine's hostname, some sites
>> > wouldn't accept mail because my static IP addres was in a block used
>> > for DSL customers (of which I was one).
>>
>> Yeah, I can't even send email to my gmail account from my Comcast
>> public IPv4 address.
>
> Have you tried using port 587?  Comcast should accept relaying on that port
> IIRC with your customer username/passwd.

Researched that, but I ultimately didn't go that route because I
couldn't find any good documentation on the appropriate settings.

>
> Or are you saying that Google will not accept incoming mail from Comcast
> addresses/IP blocks?

Not saying that; to my knowledge, Gmail accepts relay through
Comcast's relay points, but I haven't tested that. I've only tested
direct connections.

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Mick]

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On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 20:07:54 Michael Mol wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Have you tried using port 587?  Comcast should accept relaying on that
> > port IIRC with your customer username/passwd.
> 
> Researched that, but I ultimately didn't go that route because I
> couldn't find any good documentation on the appropriate settings.

OK, have a look at this in case it helps.

  http://www.linuxha.com/other/sendmail/index.html

-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Michael Mol]

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 15 Mar 2012 20:07:54 Michael Mol wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Have you tried using port 587?  Comcast should accept relaying on that
>> > port IIRC with your customer username/passwd.
>>
>> Researched that, but I ultimately didn't go that route because I
>> couldn't find any good documentation on the appropriate settings.
>
> OK, have a look at this in case it helps.
>
>  http://www.linuxha.com/other/sendmail/index.html

Cool beans. I'm not likely to change things (for now), but I'll
remember where I saw it, if I need it. :)
-- 
:wq

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 10/03/12 22:56, András Csányi wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
> sender email address.

Doesn't the verification email always go to the "From:" address rather 
than the "Sender:" address?  Doesn't make sense otherwise, since the 
address you want to subscribe to the list is the "From:" one, not the 
"Sender:" one.

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-03-10, Andr??s Cs??nyi <sayusi.ando@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
> sender email address.

Indeed it does.  AFAICT, there's nothing you can do about it.

> If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list with this email
> address and the email is sent from my local machine the respond
> always comes to my gmail address which used to authenticate.

That's how gmail works.  It always forces the "from" address to be
your gmail account.  IIRC, there's supposed to be a way to set the
"reply-to" address to a different address as long as that address is
one of the one's you have "authenticated".

> I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the
> setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any
> solution for this?

I don't think there is a solution other than use a different SMTP
server.

-- 
Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 11/03/12 16:41, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2012-03-10, Andr??s Cs??nyi<sayusi.ando@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
>> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
>> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
>> sender email address.
>
> Indeed it does.  AFAICT, there's nothing you can do about it.
>
>> If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list with this email
>> address and the email is sent from my local machine the respond
>> always comes to my gmail address which used to authenticate.
>
> That's how gmail works.  It always forces the "from" address to be
> your gmail account.

It doesn't.  It works OK here.  I think the OP means the "Sender", not 
the "From:" address.

Re: [gentoo-user] gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Pandu Poluan]

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On Mar 11, 2012 3:59 AM, "András Csányi" <sayusi.ando@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
> my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu, and the email address is
> sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu. Unfortunately, gmail smtp always overwrite the
> sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list
> with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine
> the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to
> authenticate.
>
> I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the
> setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution
> for this?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> András
>

See my email address? It's actually sent from Gmail. BUT, I have my own
hosted website (with its own SMTP server).

Without your own SMTP server, Gmail will always send your email as "
someone@gmail.com on behalf of someone@yourdomain.com".

After you have your own publicly accessible SMTP server, configure Gmail to
send email via your SMTP server, then make the alternate account as your
default account.

You can also configure your domain's SMTP server to not store your emails
locally, but forward to your Gmail account. This way, everything will be
handled through a single interface, i.e., Gmail's.

Rgds,

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[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 11/03/12 16:49, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Mar 11, 2012 3:59 AM, "András Csányi" <sayusi.ando@gmail.com
> <mailto:sayusi.ando@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  > Dear All,
>  >
>  > I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
>  > my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu <http://sayusi.hu>, and
> the email address is
>  > sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu <mailto:sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu>. Unfortunately,
> gmail smtp always overwrite the
>  > sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list
>  > with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine
>  > the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to
>  > authenticate.
>  >
>  > I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the
>  > setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution
>  > for this?
>  >
>  > Thanks in advance!
>  >
>  > András
>  >
>
> See my email address? It's actually sent from Gmail. BUT, I have my own
> hosted website (with its own SMTP server).
>
> Without your own SMTP server, Gmail will always send your email as
> "someone@gmail.com <mailto:someone@gmail.com> on behalf of
> someone@yourdomain.com <mailto:someone@yourdomain.com>".

That's also wrong.  I use "From:" addresses that don't have any SMTP 
associated with them.  GMail only touches the "Sender:" address, not the 
"From:" address.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Pandu Poluan]

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On Mar 11, 2012 10:08 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/03/12 16:49, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2012 3:59 AM, "András Csányi" <sayusi.ando@gmail.com
>> <mailto:sayusi.ando@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Dear All,
>>  >
>>  > I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
>>  > my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu <http://sayusi.hu>, and
>> the email address is
>>  > sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu <mailto:sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu>. Unfortunately,
>>
>> gmail smtp always overwrite the
>>  > sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list
>>  > with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine
>>  > the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to
>>  > authenticate.
>>  >
>>  > I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the
>>  > setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution
>>  > for this?
>>  >
>>  > Thanks in advance!
>>  >
>>  > András
>>  >
>>
>> See my email address? It's actually sent from Gmail. BUT, I have my own
>> hosted website (with its own SMTP server).
>>
>> Without your own SMTP server, Gmail will always send your email as
>> "someone@gmail.com <mailto:someone@gmail.com> on behalf of
>> someone@yourdomain.com <mailto:someone@yourdomain.com>".
>
>
> That's also wrong.  I use "From:" addresses that don't have any SMTP
associated with them.  GMail only touches the "Sender:" address, not the
"From:" address.
>
>

Yes, header-wise, the "From:" is not changed.

But, client-side, especially on Thunderbird and Outlook/Outlook Express,
the *display* From: will look like that.

Rgds,

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[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 11/03/12 17:18, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>
> On Mar 11, 2012 10:08 PM, "Nikos Chantziaras" <realnc@gmail.com
> <mailto:realnc@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  >
>  > On 11/03/12 16:49, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Mar 11, 2012 3:59 AM, "András Csányi" <sayusi.ando@gmail.com
> <mailto:sayusi.ando@gmail.com>
>  >> <mailto:sayusi.ando@gmail.com <mailto:sayusi.ando@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>  >> >
>  >> > Dear All,
>  >> >
>  >> > I would like to ask some help! I would like to use gmail smtp to send
>  >> > my email from my domain which is sayusi.hu <http://sayusi.hu>
> <http://sayusi.hu>, and
>  >> the email address is
>  >> > sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu <mailto:sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu>
> <mailto:sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu <mailto:sayusi.ando@sayusi.hu>>.
> Unfortunately,
>  >>
>  >> gmail smtp always overwrite the
>  >> > sender email address. If I would like to subscribe for a mailing list
>  >> > with this email address and the email is sent from my local machine
>  >> > the respond always comes to my gmail address which used to
>  >> > authenticate.
>  >> >
>  >> > I have tried to set up my gmail account but doesn't matter what the
>  >> > setup is the sender always will be overwrite. Do you know any solution
>  >> > for this?
>  >> >
>  >> > Thanks in advance!
>  >> >
>  >> > András
>  >> >
>  >>
>  >> See my email address? It's actually sent from Gmail. BUT, I have my own
>  >> hosted website (with its own SMTP server).
>  >>
>  >> Without your own SMTP server, Gmail will always send your email as
>  >> "someone@gmail.com <mailto:someone@gmail.com>
> <mailto:someone@gmail.com <mailto:someone@gmail.com>> on behalf of
>  >> someone@yourdomain.com <mailto:someone@yourdomain.com>
> <mailto:someone@yourdomain.com <mailto:someone@yourdomain.com>>".
>  >
>  >
>  > That's also wrong.  I use "From:" addresses that don't have any SMTP
> associated with them.  GMail only touches the "Sender:" address, not the
> "From:" address.
>  >
>  >
>
> Yes, header-wise, the "From:" is not changed.
>
> But, client-side, especially on Thunderbird and Outlook/Outlook Express,
> the *display* From: will look like that.

There is no "display from".  I use Thunderbird and it reports the "from" 
correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.)  All mail 
clients do that.  They use the "From:" address.  It's a standard 
specified in an RFC.

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is no "display from".  I use Thunderbird and it reports the "from" 
> correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.)  All mail 
> clients do that.

Outlook never used to.  It always used to display the "on behalf of"
stuff.

> They use the "From:" address.  It's a standard specified in an RFC.

Oh, well Microsoft has never violated an RFC, so I'm sure you're right.

-- 
Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 11/03/12 18:14, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> There is no "display from".  I use Thunderbird and it reports the "from"
>> correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.)  All mail
>> clients do that.
>
> Outlook never used to.  It always used to display the "on behalf of"
> stuff.
>
>> They use the "From:" address.  It's a standard specified in an RFC.
>
> Oh, well Microsoft has never violated an RFC, so I'm sure you're right.

GMail does not generate an "on behalf of" header either.  I just tested 
it.  I've sent an email through GMail's SMTP.  Here are the relevant 
headers of the email that arrived.  "my_other_address" is what I used as 
"From:"

   Return-path: <realnc@gmail.com>
   Envelope-to: my_other_address
   Sender: Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com>
   From: my_other_address

The OP mentioned that the problem is that he wants to subscribe to a 
mailing list, but that list sends the verification mail to the "Sender:" 
address rather than the "From:" address.  Which sounds very weird to me. 
  If you want to subscribe the "From:" address to a list, why would they 
want to verify the "Sender:" address instead?  Makes no sense.

[gentoo-user] Re: gmail smtp overwrites the sender

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/03/12 18:14, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2012-03-11, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> There is no "display from".  I use Thunderbird and it reports the
>>> "from" correctly (that is, it says the mail did not come from GMail.)
>>> All mail clients do that.
>>
>> Outlook never used to.  It always used to display the "on behalf of"
>> stuff.
>>
>>> They use the "From:" address.  It's a standard specified in an RFC.
>>
>> Oh, well Microsoft has never violated an RFC, so I'm sure you're right.
>
> GMail does not generate an "on behalf of" header either.
>
> I just tested it.  I've sent an email through GMail's SMTP.  Here are
> the relevant headers of the email that arrived.  "my_other_address"
> is what I used as "From:"
>
>    Return-path: <realnc@gmail.com>
>    Envelope-to: my_other_address
>    Sender: Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com>
>    From: my_other_address

Ah!  Apparently gmail has fixed the "sender" problem.  According to
wikipedia, they now allow you to use somebody else's SMTP server:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail#On_behalf_of

That's not what you're doing?

If they have indeed fixed it so you can send mail using Google's SMTP
server and have something other than your gmail address show up in the
"sender" field, then it's time to celebrate.

> The OP mentioned that the problem is that he wants to subscribe to a 
> mailing list, but that list sends the verification mail to the "Sender:" 
> address rather than the "From:" address.  Which sounds very weird to me. 
>   If you want to subscribe the "From:" address to a list, why would they 
> want to verify the "Sender:" address instead?  Makes no sense.

Dunno.  I didn't relly understand what the OP was saying.  I was
confirming (erroneously), the gmail would always put the gmail address
in the "sender" header, which then triggered Outlook to display the
"on behalf of" stuff.  That issue has apparently been fixed.

-- 
Grant