From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2355F1381F3 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 69804E0BC1; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676F5E0BA3 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 19:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id p13so2451532vbe.5 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wRVEv6wcVZSpP0imZNrxkHODxF0Vnd+bptqykXabjrs=; b=VkD91KspLKbf1eW4F9L9PKi22RRMPQZr6Z+fia6bc3BOXswPSlEionSBH8PENXfQBP nYqUC1bLE7s65/YFs2+ie8mc/jgu7/sDna+3Nq2bTk7QRIVb72m8eQZi0LL2ewP4ukIq iOqM8+XPdw2DLLMtq13NGl6qRYaK6LYUrEMJriK2Y5U0IxRz4KfS3apOaARS7OJgWCmp mmisHJXh3MZjCjFfRcLR7VN1W2FvhGYFlLNLrUzrgaQpRGvxxQfD7/esTwrtKYKLk2ar G2n/R96H6JmMQd1wmicHWxLvwhlpQPk6eEIECtLJ+h53rb59+VfeCeGSaAdiPPPcHwoX XRzQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.47.10 with SMTP id l10mr1532817vcf.32.1378495723510; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.8.193 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <52288326.8050609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 22:28:43 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames From: gevisz To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2a58ceca15104e5bc0bee X-Archives-Salt: 5b100608-5879-4dbd-a75d-f8b63aef76f1 X-Archives-Hash: a027d9aaf58ee172dd408403bcbe5b26 --001a11c2a58ceca15104e5bc0bee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2013/9/6 Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, gevisz wrote: > > 2013/9/6 gevisz > >> > >> > >> 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon > >>> > >>> On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote: > >>> > Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close, > >>> > Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner. > >>> > > >>> > Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window > frame > >>> > from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Clos= e > >>> > button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whol= e > >>> > screen, and it is extremely inconvenient. > >>> > > >>> > I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu > but > >>> > somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my > windows > >>> > had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was t= he > >>> > Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^( > >>> > > >>> > Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the > >>> > sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons > "out > >>> > of the box" and without recompilation of all the programs that do n= ot > >>> > do > >>> > the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of > >>> > course). > >>> > > >>> > However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the > >>> > moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome > >>> > (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather apple= t > >>> > with the world map showing the daytime at different locations). > >>> > > >>> > Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and > >>> > Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2. > >>> > >>> > >>> I think the true answer is > >>> > >>> "You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want" > >>> > >>> I'm happy to be proved wrong though. > >>> > >>> If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It wi= ll > >>> last only a short time. > >>> > >>> Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far > >> > >> 1) I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other > >> language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev > >> configs), > >> > >> 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example, > >> I can not assign ++ to any program launch= er > >> in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome, > >> > >> 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent > >> packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread. > >> > >> All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back > >> compared to Gnome 2 > >> (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with > >> Gnome 3 :^), as > >> have not tried it so far). > >> > >> P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can > >> explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce, > >> you are welcome. :^) > >> > >> I set up toggling the keyboard layout to key in > >> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows: > >> > >> Option "XkbOptions" > >> "grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" > >> > >> It works for Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^( > >> > >> Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the > >> Xfce panel, > >> but could not find any. > >> > > > > A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not > included in > > the xfce4-meta package > > (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout > > indicator. At first, it did not work, that is, > > I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after > > changing some of the plugin's > > settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. > Interestingly, > > the applet continued to switch > > the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the > > original ones. Magically, the > > key also started to switch the keyboard layout. > > > > So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more vali= d. > > The third one is not > > so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with i= t. > > :^) > > > > Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even > more > > informative. :^) > > If you want GNOME 2, you should try MATE. GNOME 2 is unsupported; It's > been years since somebody actually worked on it. Bugs, bitrot and > security vulnerabilities are probably (if not surely) present in the > code base. > > MATE supposedly tries to keep GNOME 2 alive (although its homepage is > down). > -- > Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s > Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=EDa de la Computaci=F3n > Universidad Nacional Aut=F3noma de M=E9xico > > But I have not found MATE in portage... Anyway, it is not so important now, as I have already almost satisfied with my present Xfce setup. Thank you for the reply and have a nice weekend. --001a11c2a58ceca15104e5bc0bee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2013= /9/6 Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s <caneko@gmail.com>
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, gev= isz <gevisz@gmail.com> wrote:=
> 2013/9/6 gevisz <gevisz@gmail.c= om>
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote:
>>> > Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I hav= e a Close,
>>> > Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right = corner.
>>> >
>>> > Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementar= y window frame
>>> > from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains onl= y the Close
>>> > button with no possibility to maximize the window frame t= o the whole
>>> > screen, and it is extremely inconvenient.
>>> >
>>> > I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 und= er Ubuntu but
>>> > somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost = all my windows
>>> > had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only excep= tion was the
>>> > Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^(
>>> >
>>> > Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens a= ll the
>>> > sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize= buttons "out
>>> > of the box" and without recompilation of all the pro= grams that do not
>>> > do
>>> > the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-wi= ndow, of
>>> > course).
>>> >
>>> > However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now beca= use at the
>>> > moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my G= nome
>>> > (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-wea= ther applet
>>> > with the world map showing the daytime at different locat= ions).
>>> >
>>> > Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Re= store and
>>> > Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the true answer is
>>>
>>> "You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what = you want"
>>>
>>> I'm happy to be proved wrong though.
>>>
>>> If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain= . It will
>>> last only a short time.
>>>
>>> Alan McKinnon alan.= mckinnon@gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far
>>
>> 1) =A0I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any= other
>> =A0 =A0 =A0language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling wi= th evdev
>> =A0 =A0 =A0configs),
>>
>> 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for exampl= e,
>> =A0 =A0 =A0I can not assign <Win>+<Shift>+<any lett= er> to any program launcher
>> =A0 =A0 =A0in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome,
>>
>> 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent
>> =A0 =A0 packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread.
>>
>> All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step bac= k
>> compared to Gnome 2
>> (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared = with
>> Gnome 3 :^), as
>> have not tried it so far).
>>
>> P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can=
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 explain how to setup language keyboad layout switc= h in Fxce,
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 you are welcome. :^)
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I set up toggling the keyboard layout to <rWin&= gt; key in
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows= :
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Option "XkbOptions"
>> "grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_a= lt_bksp"
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0It works for =A0Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^(=
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator some= where on the
>> Xfce panel,
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0but could not find any.
>>
>
> A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not inclu= ded in
> the xfce4-meta package
> (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout > indicator. At first, it did not work, that is,
> I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after<= br> > changing some of the plugin's
> settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout. Interesti= ngly,
> the applet continued to switch
> the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the<= br> > original ones. Magically, the <rWin>
> key also started to switch the keyboard layout.
>
> So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more val= id.
> The third one is not
> so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with = it.
> :^)
>
> Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even = more
> informative. :^)

If you want GNOME 2, you should try MATE. GNOME 2 is unsupporte= d; It's
been years since somebody actually worked on it. Bugs, bitrot and
security vulnerabilities are probably (if not surely) present in the
code base.

MATE supposedly tries to keep GNOME 2 alive (although its homepage is down)= .
--
Canek Pel=E1ez Vald=E9s
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingenier=EDa de la Computaci=F3n
Universidad Nacional Aut=F3noma de M=E9xico


But I have not found MAT= E in portage...

Anyway, it is not so important now, as I = have already almost satisfied with my present Xfce setup.

Thank you for the reply and have a nice weekend.

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