From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RYf52-0002Op-53 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:36:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF7D521C19A; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD8D21C173 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaoo28 with SMTP id o28so2440415iao.40 for ; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 06:33:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=q07YBl6qUdMq4yvXq4tVZyhnLYhFZHNMutZbxLeeVmQ=; b=C6eJtA+MSNyd+PNBIh7RcgrHSEfFYFHl8Zx28dSZFALP8cN12+W4UREqcX6L8bHzQH 5lGFHjk2HFxvnO/BRuU70O+bVuWDDFmXHg4WMY61e1tMIUu4BeHZe1qVd84TraYGkc6h bWUumJGkS/CveNSHy/dJr9a+FzrWxFjpvk4BY= Received: by 10.42.136.196 with SMTP id v4mr3806425ict.3.1323354806142; Thu, 08 Dec 2011 06:33:26 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.45.9 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 06:33:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111205201409.GA937@gaurahari.merseine.nu> <201112052332.24643.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20111206111531.5d5843bd@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20111206220439.GA15412@badass.gateway.2wire.net> From: James Broadhead Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:33:04 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 19641532-103a-4b39-a93b-ed725f79fb34 X-Archives-Hash: 651aed7024ae8309b8e2748d27b35d09 On 8 December 2011 14:25, Michael Mol wrote: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:10 AM, James Broadhead > wrote: >> Especially in the past, they have allowed their political views on >> Open Source / Free Software to interfere with the best user >> experience[3]. >> >> [3] The whole concept of 'restricted extras' is detrimental to distro >> usability, as is having a separate package-manager-frontend for >> installing them, as is a separate repository which is disabled by >> default. > > I'm not a fan of Ubuntu, but that really didn't start with them. > *Debian* has it in a far worse way. As an example, say you're in my > position and want Squid running as a website accelerator, and you want > SSL support. Squid can do this. Except the binary packages Debian > builds have SSL disabled because of fears of incompatible licenses > between Squid and OpenSSL. "Especially in the past" _means_ 'back when they were closer to being Debian'. Things have improved over the years, but it's still difficult to get a codec-heavy mplayer in Ubuntu without building it manually for example.