Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Robin Atwood]

On Monday 27 Feb 2012, Mick wrote:
> On 26 February 2012 15:12, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Sunday 26 Feb 2012, Mick wrote:
> >> if your run:
> >> 
> >> # sdptool browse <your_device_MAC_address>
> >> 
> >> it will list a number of services that the device supports after you
> >> connect it to your PC.
> >> 
> >> Although I could not browse any files using Dophin or obexftp, I was
> >> able to send and receive files using obex push.
> > 
> > I tried the browse but got "Protocol not supported". :(
> 
> Hmm ... odd!
> 
> Have you compiled all the necessary BT drivers in your kernel/as
> modules?  Are they loaded?

I am glad we had this little chat! I always pass my kernel configs from 
release to release, so I went and checked the bluetooth section, and lo, it 
looks like it got reorganised some time after version 3.0.0 and lots of 
options were no longer checked. Fixed that and now bluetooth works: I can 
transfer files and browse the phones storage. 

Thanks for giving me a nudge. :)
-Robin
-- 
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Robin Atwood.

"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
 Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
         from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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 Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
         from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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[OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Peter Humphrey]

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On Monday 27 February 2012 23:29:35 Robin Atwood wrote:
> "Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
>  Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
>          from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling

Please check the spelling of the third word in that quotation. I'm pretty 
certain that "somewheres" is purely American, which of course Kipling was 
not.

-- 
Rgds
Peter		Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[James Broadhead]

On 28 February 2012 00:39, Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:
> On Monday 27 February 2012 23:29:35 Robin Atwood wrote:
>
>> "Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
>
>>  Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
>
>>          from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
> Please check the spelling of the third word in that quotation. I'm pretty
> certain that "somewheres" is purely American, which of course Kipling was
> not.
>

He was, however, a poet, which gives him the teensiest bit of lee-way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_of_Suez

Please don't send html emails to the list, nor correct the
grammar/spelling of a quotation that you have not googl'd for
verification. Alternately, you may contact Mr. Kipling directly.

Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Peter Humphrey]

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On Tuesday 28 February 2012 15:57:36 James Broadhead wrote:

> Please don't send html emails to the list

I wrote a test message and saved it, then examined it with less. It was in 
two parts: one plain text and one HTML. I have never set an option to write 
in HTML so I shut kmail down and checked its config file. It said "html-
markup=true" for some reason. So I changed it to false and I hope that's 
cleared the problem.

-- 
Rgds
Peter		Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 29 Feb 2012 21:08:41 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 February 2012 15:57:36 James Broadhead wrote:
> > Please don't send html emails to the list
> 
> I wrote a test message and saved it, then examined it with less. It was in
> two parts: one plain text and one HTML. I have never set an option to write
> in HTML so I shut kmail down and checked its config file. It said "html-
> markup=true" for some reason. So I changed it to false and I hope that's
> cleared the problem.


Hmmm .... which Kmail are you using?
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Mick

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Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Peter Humphrey]

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On Wednesday 29 February 2012 21:28:07 Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 Feb 2012 21:08:41 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Tuesday 28 February 2012 15:57:36 James Broadhead wrote:
> > > Please don't send html emails to the list
> > 
> > I wrote a test message and saved it, then examined it with less. It was
> > in two parts: one plain text and one HTML. I have never set an option
> > to write in HTML so I shut kmail down and checked its config file. It
> > said "html- markup=true" for some reason. So I changed it to false and
> > I hope that's cleared the problem.
> 
> Hmmm .... which Kmail are you using?

4.7.4.

-- 
Rgds
Peter		Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23

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Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Stroller]

On 29 February 2012, at 21:08, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 February 2012 15:57:36 James Broadhead wrote:
> 
>> Please don't send html emails to the list
> 
> … I have never set an option to write 
> in HTML so I shut kmail down and checked its config file. It said "html-
> markup=true" for some reason. So I changed it to false and I hope that's 
> cleared the problem.

It hasn't.

Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Mick]

On 1 March 2012 15:07, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 29 February 2012, at 21:08, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Tuesday 28 February 2012 15:57:36 James Broadhead wrote:
>>
>>> Please don't send html emails to the list
>>
>> … I have never set an option to write
>> in HTML so I shut kmail down and checked its config file. It said "html-
>> markup=true" for some reason. So I changed it to false and I hope that's
>> cleared the problem.
>
> It hasn't.

We could blame the 4.7.4 version for this, but just in case - did you
restart kmail and does the config file still read markup=false?

-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 01 March 2012 15:28:16 Mick wrote:

> We could blame the 4.7.4 version for this, but just in case - did you
> restart kmail and does the config file still read markup=false?

I have restarted the whole machine and I now find markup=true again. Solution: 
stop kmail, move the entire message tree and kmailrc, start kmail, import all 
messages from the old tree, import all filters from kmailrc. Only took a few 
minutes and I think I how have a clean system.

I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm still polluting the atmosphere with HTML.  
:-)

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:57 +0000
Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:

> On Thursday 01 March 2012 15:28:16 Mick wrote:
> 
> > We could blame the 4.7.4 version for this, but just in case - did
> > you restart kmail and does the config file still read markup=false?
> 
> I have restarted the whole machine and I now find markup=true again.
> Solution: stop kmail, move the entire message tree and kmailrc, start
> kmail, import all messages from the old tree, import all filters from
> kmailrc. Only took a few minutes and I think I how have a clean
> system.
> 
> I'm sure you'll let me know if I'm still polluting the atmosphere
> with HTML. :-)
> 
.


You might have a clean system but fifty quid says you have a clean
system with a whole lot less mail than you used to have

Yes, kmail-4.* eats mail. I talk from experience.

Feel free to ignore me if you think I'm over the top. I now have this
compulsion to bad mouth kdepim at every possible opportunity till the
devs fix it properly after losing a month of my life to having to
fiddle with kmail eternally plus losing three years of mail history


-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 01 March 2012 18:01:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> You might have a clean system but fifty quid says you have a clean
> system with a whole lot less mail than you used to have

That would be rash. My gentoo-user mail still numbers 15160 and dates back to 
a year ago. I don't notice any missing directories either, and all of them 
contain plausible numbers of e-mails.

All the same, I'm not going to start feeling smug just yet.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Mick]

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On Thursday 01 Mar 2012 18:54:30 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 01 March 2012 18:01:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > You might have a clean system but fifty quid says you have a clean
> > system with a whole lot less mail than you used to have
> 
> That would be rash. My gentoo-user mail still numbers 15160 and dates back
> to a year ago. I don't notice any missing directories either, and all of
> them contain plausible numbers of e-mails.
> 
> All the same, I'm not going to start feeling smug just yet.

Well, I had duplicates being created in gmail (POP3) which magically 
regenerated themselves in multiples when I tried to delete them ...  O_O

It is a bloody joke and I can't believe that the KDE devs let it loose on 
unsuspecting population like this.  I mean, people depend on KDEPIM to manage 
their affairs and businesses.  It's not as if it is some poxy eye candy 
feature.  Arrrgh!  What are these guys trying to do?  Surpass Microsoft in 
their development decisions?
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Mick

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Re: [OT] [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 01 March 2012 19:17:05 Mick wrote:

> Well, I had duplicates being created in gmail (POP3) which magically
> regenerated themselves in multiples when I tried to delete them

I experienced that jollity when trying to upgrade to the latest, fatally 
broken version, but no such problem with the version I was upgrading from 
(4.7.4). This version still seems reliable to me, now that I've reset it to a 
working state.

> It is a bloody joke and I can't believe that the KDE devs let it loose on
> [an] unsuspecting population like this. I mean, people depend on KDEPIM to
> manage their affairs and businesses. 

Quite agree. It's a travesty of software development, not explained even by 
Alan's analysis. These people should be given a dose of the Real World (tm).

> It's not as if it [were] some poxy eye candy feature.  Arrrgh!  What are
> these guys trying to do?  Surpass Microsoft in their development decisions?

Surpass? Is that quite the right word?   :-)

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[James Broadhead]

On 27 February 2012 23:29, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> wrote:
> I am glad we had this little chat! I always pass my kernel configs from
> release to release, so I went and checked the bluetooth section, and lo, it
> looks like it got reorganised some time after version 3.0.0 and lots of
> options were no longer checked. Fixed that and now bluetooth works: I can
> transfer files and browse the phones storage.
>
> Thanks for giving me a nudge. :)

Are you aware of "make oldconfig", which will interactively walk you
through the changes to the config layout?

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Robin Atwood]

On Tuesday 28 Feb 2012, James Broadhead wrote:
> On 27 February 2012 23:29, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> wrote:
> > I am glad we had this little chat! I always pass my kernel configs from
> > release to release, so I went and checked the bluetooth section, and lo,
> > it looks like it got reorganised some time after version 3.0.0 and lots
> > of options were no longer checked. Fixed that and now bluetooth works: I
> > can transfer files and browse the phones storage.
> > 
> > Thanks for giving me a nudge. :)
> 
> Are you aware of "make oldconfig", which will interactively walk you
> through the changes to the config layout?

Of course, but I am lazy and usually you get away with it. ;)

-Robin
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Robin Atwood.

"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
 Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
         from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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[gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Robin Atwood]

I have just tried to send a file from my phone to my laptop running KDE 4.8.0 
and it fails; the two devices never bind. When I set up the laptop it was 
running KDE 4.6.3 and bluetooth worked fine. The BlueZ libraries have changed 
substantially since, I think. Using 'hcitool inq' works fine, it's the KDE 
dialogs which sit there searching endlessly. Any recommended settings for 
/etc/bluetooth/*? Doc is a bit hard to come by.

TIA
-Robin
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Robin Atwood.

"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
 Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
         from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[James Broadhead]

On 23 February 2012 12:39, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> wrote:
> I have just tried to send a file from my phone to my laptop running KDE 4.8.0
> and it fails; the two devices never bind. When I set up the laptop it was
> running KDE 4.6.3 and bluetooth worked fine. The BlueZ libraries have changed
> substantially since, I think. Using 'hcitool inq' works fine, it's the KDE
> dialogs which sit there searching endlessly. Any recommended settings for
> /etc/bluetooth/*? Doc is a bit hard to come by.
>
> TIA
> -Robin

Not exactly on-topic, but I recently got my bluetooth headset working
without any major hassle using net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth by
- Building the appropriate communications-types modules
- Starting the bluetooth init script
- Running bluetooth-wizard to pair and bluetooth-applet to connect/disconnect

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Mick]

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On Thursday 23 Feb 2012 12:47:00 James Broadhead wrote:
> On 23 February 2012 12:39, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> wrote:
> > I have just tried to send a file from my phone to my laptop running KDE
> > 4.8.0 and it fails; the two devices never bind. When I set up the laptop
> > it was running KDE 4.6.3 and bluetooth worked fine. The BlueZ libraries
> > have changed substantially since, I think. Using 'hcitool inq' works
> > fine, it's the KDE dialogs which sit there searching endlessly. Any
> > recommended settings for /etc/bluetooth/*? Doc is a bit hard to come by.
> > 
> > TIA
> > -Robin
> 
> Not exactly on-topic, but I recently got my bluetooth headset working
> without any major hassle using net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth by
> - Building the appropriate communications-types modules
> - Starting the bluetooth init script
> - Running bluetooth-wizard to pair and bluetooth-applet to
> connect/disconnect

I'm using net-wireless/bluedevil-1.2.2 and I do not have any such problems.  
However, I'm not using the whole KDE desktop and I'm still on KDEPIM 4.4.11.1
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Juan Diego Tascón]

I have never been able to pair in a2dp mode and pulseaudio with either
kdebluetooth nor gnome bluetooth, only blueman seems to be doing a
good job for that

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 23 Feb 2012 12:47:00 James Broadhead wrote:
>> On 23 February 2012 12:39, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> > I have just tried to send a file from my phone to my laptop running KDE
>> > 4.8.0 and it fails; the two devices never bind. When I set up the laptop
>> > it was running KDE 4.6.3 and bluetooth worked fine. The BlueZ libraries
>> > have changed substantially since, I think. Using 'hcitool inq' works
>> > fine, it's the KDE dialogs which sit there searching endlessly. Any
>> > recommended settings for /etc/bluetooth/*? Doc is a bit hard to come by.
>> >
>> > TIA
>> > -Robin
>>
>> Not exactly on-topic, but I recently got my bluetooth headset working
>> without any major hassle using net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth by
>> - Building the appropriate communications-types modules
>> - Starting the bluetooth init script
>> - Running bluetooth-wizard to pair and bluetooth-applet to
>> connect/disconnect
>
> I'm using net-wireless/bluedevil-1.2.2 and I do not have any such problems.
> However, I'm not using the whole KDE desktop and I'm still on KDEPIM 4.4.11.1
> --
> Regards,
> Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

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El 24/02/2012 09:31, "Juan Diego Tascón" <juantascon@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> I have never been able to pair in a2dp mode and pulseaudio with either
> kdebluetooth nor gnome bluetooth, only blueman seems to be doing a
> good job for that

In GNOME (both 2 and 3), you just add the bluetooth headset, and in the
sound settings you choose A2DP. That's all. I have never touched the config
files under /etc/bluetooth.

Regards.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Mick]

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On Friday 24 Feb 2012 11:46:33 Mick wrote:
> On Thursday 23 Feb 2012 12:47:00 James Broadhead wrote:
> > On 23 February 2012 12:39, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> 
wrote:
> > > I have just tried to send a file from my phone to my laptop running KDE
> > > 4.8.0 and it fails; the two devices never bind. When I set up the
> > > laptop it was running KDE 4.6.3 and bluetooth worked fine. The BlueZ
> > > libraries have changed substantially since, I think. Using 'hcitool
> > > inq' works fine, it's the KDE dialogs which sit there searching
> > > endlessly. Any recommended settings for /etc/bluetooth/*? Doc is a bit
> > > hard to come by.
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > -Robin
> > 
> > Not exactly on-topic, but I recently got my bluetooth headset working
> > without any major hassle using net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth by
> > - Building the appropriate communications-types modules
> > - Starting the bluetooth init script
> > - Running bluetooth-wizard to pair and bluetooth-applet to
> > connect/disconnect
> 
> I'm using net-wireless/bluedevil-1.2.2 and I do not have any such problems.
> However, I'm not using the whole KDE desktop and I'm still on KDEPIM
> 4.4.11.1

I had a go at browsing the filesystem on my Blackberry.  It won't work.

obexftp fails in each case to list the contents on the BB internal flash.  When 
looking under Known Devices on the Bluedevil applet on the desktop, it says:

"No supported services found"

which make me think that the way this BB is set up, it won't share its fs with 
a PC.

if your run:

# sdptool browse <your_device_MAC_address>

it will list a number of services that the device supports after you connect 
it to your PC.

Although I could not browse any files using Dophin or obexftp, I was able to 
send and receive files using obex push.

HTH.
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Robin Atwood]

On Sunday 26 Feb 2012, Mick wrote:
> On Friday 24 Feb 2012 11:46:33 Mick wrote:
> > On Thursday 23 Feb 2012 12:47:00 James Broadhead wrote:
> > > On 23 February 2012 12:39, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net>
> 
> wrote:
> > > > I have just tried to send a file from my phone to my laptop running
> > > > KDE 4.8.0 and it fails; the two devices never bind. When I set up
> > > > the laptop it was running KDE 4.6.3 and bluetooth worked fine. The
> > > > BlueZ libraries have changed substantially since, I think. Using
> > > > 'hcitool inq' works fine, it's the KDE dialogs which sit there
> > > > searching endlessly. Any recommended settings for /etc/bluetooth/*?
> > > > Doc is a bit hard to come by.
> > > > 
> > > > TIA
> > > > -Robin
> > > 
> > > Not exactly on-topic, but I recently got my bluetooth headset working
> > > without any major hassle using net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth by
> > > - Building the appropriate communications-types modules
> > > - Starting the bluetooth init script
> > > - Running bluetooth-wizard to pair and bluetooth-applet to
> > > connect/disconnect
> > 
> > I'm using net-wireless/bluedevil-1.2.2 and I do not have any such
> > problems. However, I'm not using the whole KDE desktop and I'm still on
> > KDEPIM 4.4.11.1
> 
> I had a go at browsing the filesystem on my Blackberry.  It won't work.
> 
> obexftp fails in each case to list the contents on the BB internal flash. 
> When looking under Known Devices on the Bluedevil applet on the desktop,
> it says:
> 
> "No supported services found"
> 
> which make me think that the way this BB is set up, it won't share its fs
> with a PC.
> 
> if your run:
> 
> # sdptool browse <your_device_MAC_address>
> 
> it will list a number of services that the device supports after you
> connect it to your PC.
> 
> Although I could not browse any files using Dophin or obexftp, I was able
> to send and receive files using obex push.

I tried the browse but got "Protocol not supported". :(

-Robin
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Robin Atwood.

"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
 Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
         from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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Re: [gentoo-user] Anybody have kdebluetooth working?

[Mick]

On 26 February 2012 15:12, Robin Atwood <robin.atwood@attglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sunday 26 Feb 2012, Mick wrote:

>> if your run:
>>
>> # sdptool browse <your_device_MAC_address>
>>
>> it will list a number of services that the device supports after you
>> connect it to your PC.
>>
>> Although I could not browse any files using Dophin or obexftp, I was able
>> to send and receive files using obex push.
>
> I tried the browse but got "Protocol not supported". :(

Hmm ... odd!

Have you compiled all the necessary BT drivers in your kernel/as
modules?  Are they loaded?

-- 
Regards,
Mick