[gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

Hi,
   I was looking at an app called gtkpod which looks like something my
wife might use to sync her iPod Touch. The gtkpod manual suggests that
when the system is setup correctly if I plug in her iPod I should see
it show up in dmesg as a USB disk. Currently I do not:

[  163.164161] usb 2-4: new high speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hcd
[  163.280726] usb 2-4: New USB device found, idVendor=05ac, idProduct=1291
[  163.280731] usb 2-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[  163.280734] usb 2-4: Product: iPod
[  163.280737] usb 2-4: Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
[  163.280739] usb 2-4: SerialNumber: REMOVED-BY-MARK

   The manual also talks about making some udev rules, an example shown here:

#80GB IPOD
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="000A2700XXXXXXXX", KERNEL=="sd?2", \
NAME="80gbipod", MODE="0664", OPTIONS="last_rule"

#4GB IPOD NANO
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="000A2700YYYYYYYY", KERNEL=="sd?2", \
NAME="4gbnano", MODE="0664", OPTIONS="last_rule"

   Unfortunately it does not say what file to put these rules in so
from some other web pages I used /etc/udev/rules.d/60-ipod.rules.

c2stable ~ # ls -al /etc/udev/rules.d/
total 28
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov  3 14:21 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Jun 23 15:09 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    0 Jun 23 15:07 .keep_sys-fs_udev-0
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  166 Nov  3 12:08 60-ipod.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  126 Nov  3 14:18 60-vmware.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  790 Apr 13  2010 70-persistent-cd.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  627 Jun 23 15:09 70-persistent-net.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   28 Jan 21  2011 99-fuse.rules
c2stable ~ #

I've removed the serial number for the sake of this thread but the
udev file number and the number I see in dmesg to match:

c2stable ~ # cat /etc/udev/rules.d/60-ipod.rules
#8GB IPOD Touch
SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{serial}=="SERIAL-NUMBER", KERNEL=="sd?2", \
NAME="8gbipodtouch", MODE="0664", OPTIONS="last_rule"
c2stable ~ #

   I've rebuilt my kernel to include everything Apple oriented, as
well as USB oriented, that's discussed on this page:

http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Apple_iPod

   Still, when I plug the iPod in it shows up but not as a disk:

[   79.115529] usb 2-4: new high speed USB device number 3 using ehci_hcd
[   79.233277] usb 2-4: New USB device found, idVendor=05ac, idProduct=1291
[   79.233282] usb 2-4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[   79.233285] usb 2-4: Product: iPod
[   79.233288] usb 2-4: Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
[   79.233291] usb 2-4: SerialNumber: SERIAL-NUMBER


   Does anyone here have this working? Can you see what I might be doing wrong?

   One possibly clue is that when I plug the iPod in KDE is popping up
a message about a new camera being attached. I assume KDE is behind
udev rules in terms of priority, but if not then possibly KDE is
somehow blocking it showing up as a USB device? If I remove it from
the KDE Camera Settings it just gets created the next time I plug it
in.

Thanks,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Jorge Martínez López]

Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice (dependency
of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule.

Greetings,

-- 
Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com> http://www.jorgeml.net
      Google Talk / XMPP: jorgeml@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com>:
> Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice (dependency
> of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule.
>
> Greetings,
>
> --
> Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com> http://www.jorgeml.net
>       Google Talk / XMPP: jorgeml@gmail.com
>
>

Hi Jorge,
   Thanks for the ifuse idea. ifuse /mnt/ipod does seem to get the
device mounted. However just poking around in the /mnt/ipod directory
isn't very clear by itself about how music (and one day hopefully
videos) are stored. Maybe I can find some info somewhere to help with
that if necessary.

   Even with the device mounted it doesn't seem to be visible to
gtkpod, and there aren't any new USB disk messages in dmesg. Just a
single ifuse message is all that's added.

   Well, at least I can sort of communicate with the ipod even if I
cannot do anything interesting yet.

   Thanks!

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Friday, November 04, 2011 06:03:55 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
> 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com>:
> > Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice (dependency
> > of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule.
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > --
> > Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com> http://www.jorgeml.net
> >       Google Talk / XMPP: jorgeml@gmail.com
> 
> Hi Jorge,
>    Thanks for the ifuse idea. ifuse /mnt/ipod does seem to get the
> device mounted. However just poking around in the /mnt/ipod directory
> isn't very clear by itself about how music (and one day hopefully
> videos) are stored. Maybe I can find some info somewhere to help with
> that if necessary.
> 
>    Even with the device mounted it doesn't seem to be visible to
> gtkpod, and there aren't any new USB disk messages in dmesg. Just a
> single ifuse message is all that's added.
> 
>    Well, at least I can sort of communicate with the ipod even if I
> cannot do anything interesting yet.
> 
>    Thanks!
> 
> - Mark

Mark,

I haven't played with my iPod touch yet, but the "older" models all worked 
with gtkpod.
You might need to tell gtkpod to "open" the ipod by pointing it where it is 
mounted.

Menu: "Edit" -> "Repository/iPod Options"
Then click on "Add new repository/iPod" and fill in the details for your iPod. 
(The backup-file is in my home-dir on my desktop for mine)

Any files you manually copy to the iPod will NOT be picked up as a database 
file needs to be updated as well.

Apple also has this annoying tendency to change the DB-structure for every 
version and gtkpod needs to have specific support for your model for it to 
work.

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Joost Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> On Friday, November 04, 2011 06:03:55 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>> 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com>:
>> > Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice (dependency
>> > of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule.
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com> http://www.jorgeml.net
>> >       Google Talk / XMPP: jorgeml@gmail.com
>>
>> Hi Jorge,
>>    Thanks for the ifuse idea. ifuse /mnt/ipod does seem to get the
>> device mounted. However just poking around in the /mnt/ipod directory
>> isn't very clear by itself about how music (and one day hopefully
>> videos) are stored. Maybe I can find some info somewhere to help with
>> that if necessary.
>>
>>    Even with the device mounted it doesn't seem to be visible to
>> gtkpod, and there aren't any new USB disk messages in dmesg. Just a
>> single ifuse message is all that's added.
>>
>>    Well, at least I can sort of communicate with the ipod even if I
>> cannot do anything interesting yet.
>>
>>    Thanks!
>>
>> - Mark
>
> Mark,
>
> I haven't played with my iPod touch yet, but the "older" models all worked
> with gtkpod.
> You might need to tell gtkpod to "open" the ipod by pointing it where it is
> mounted.
>
> Menu: "Edit" -> "Repository/iPod Options"
> Then click on "Add new repository/iPod" and fill in the details for your iPod.
> (The backup-file is in my home-dir on my desktop for mine)
>
> Any files you manually copy to the iPod will NOT be picked up as a database
> file needs to be updated as well.
>
> Apple also has this annoying tendency to change the DB-structure for every
> version and gtkpod needs to have specific support for your model for it to
> work.
>
> --
> Joost

Hi Joost,
   Ah...insomnia...a great excuse for playing with computers and
answering emails... ;-)

   I had the same idea about telling gtkpod to use this specific iPod
when I started with this, but as best I can tell so far gtkpod won't
see the iPod unless it shows up in dmesg as a USB disk drive. I
believe I read that on their Wiki and was going to try and find the
link at www.gtkpod.org to verify that but the web site isn't
responding right now. I'll double check that later.

   The iPod she has is a First Generation version. It won't run iOS
more recent that 3.x so she cannot get any of the newer features with
iOS5 like NetFlix movies. (At least as far as I can tell so far. I
haven't checked that out very much yet.)

   My real need here is pretty small. I was trying to find something
nice for my wife 'cause she's been doing nice things for me, but
there's no rush on this. My personal interest was really because I've
got a Kindle Fire coming in a couple of weeks which I want to use to
watch movies when I'm donating blood. (I do that a lot because my
blood is pretty unique.) Anyway, I figured out Handbrake for ripping
my DVD collection and was going to use the iPod to test the video
playback. Anyway, I can probably do that from a Windows VM, or worst
case boot my laptop into Windows and do it native if required.

   Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Joost Roeleveld]

On Saturday, November 05, 2011 04:48:54 AM Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Joost Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> > On Friday, November 04, 2011 06:03:55 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
> >> 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com>:
> >> > Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice
> >> > (dependency
> >> > of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule.
> >> > 
> >> > Greetings,
> >> > 
> >> > --
> >> > Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com> http://www.jorgeml.net
> >> >       Google Talk / XMPP: jorgeml@gmail.com
> >> 
> >> Hi Jorge,
> >>    Thanks for the ifuse idea. ifuse /mnt/ipod does seem to get the
> >> device mounted. However just poking around in the /mnt/ipod directory
> >> isn't very clear by itself about how music (and one day hopefully
> >> videos) are stored. Maybe I can find some info somewhere to help with
> >> that if necessary.
> >> 
> >>    Even with the device mounted it doesn't seem to be visible to
> >> gtkpod, and there aren't any new USB disk messages in dmesg. Just a
> >> single ifuse message is all that's added.
> >> 
> >>    Well, at least I can sort of communicate with the ipod even if I
> >> cannot do anything interesting yet.
> >> 
> >>    Thanks!
> >> 
> >> - Mark
> > 
> > Mark,
> > 
> > I haven't played with my iPod touch yet, but the "older" models all
> > worked with gtkpod.
> > You might need to tell gtkpod to "open" the ipod by pointing it where it
> > is mounted.
> > 
> > Menu: "Edit" -> "Repository/iPod Options"
> > Then click on "Add new repository/iPod" and fill in the details for your
> > iPod. (The backup-file is in my home-dir on my desktop for mine)
> > 
> > Any files you manually copy to the iPod will NOT be picked up as a
> > database file needs to be updated as well.
> > 
> > Apple also has this annoying tendency to change the DB-structure for
> > every version and gtkpod needs to have specific support for your model
> > for it to work.
> > 
> > --
> > Joost
> 
> Hi Joost,
>    Ah...insomnia...a great excuse for playing with computers and
> answering emails... ;-)
> 
>    I had the same idea about telling gtkpod to use this specific iPod
> when I started with this, but as best I can tell so far gtkpod won't
> see the iPod unless it shows up in dmesg as a USB disk drive. I
> believe I read that on their Wiki and was going to try and find the
> link at www.gtkpod.org to verify that but the web site isn't
> responding right now. I'll double check that later.

Maybe for auto-detection, but the first time I played with gtkpod, I had 
problems auto-mounting usb-devices and always did the mounting as root.

Telling gtkpod where the iPod was mounted was sufficient.

>    The iPod she has is a First Generation version. It won't run iOS
> more recent that 3.x so she cannot get any of the newer features with
> iOS5 like NetFlix movies. (At least as far as I can tell so far. I
> haven't checked that out very much yet.)

I never did, my previous employer had a tendency to give out new iPods each 
year. Not sure if they still do, I would have preferred something more 
usefull, like an eReader.

>    My real need here is pretty small. I was trying to find something
> nice for my wife 'cause she's been doing nice things for me, but
> there's no rush on this. My personal interest was really because I've
> got a Kindle Fire coming in a couple of weeks which I want to use to
> watch movies when I'm donating blood. (I do that a lot because my
> blood is pretty unique.) Anyway, I figured out Handbrake for ripping
> my DVD collection and was going to use the iPod to test the video
> playback. Anyway, I can probably do that from a Windows VM, or worst
> case boot my laptop into Windows and do it native if required.

Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high performance.

>    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[James Broadhead]

On 5 November 2011 19:45, Joost Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> On Saturday, November 05, 2011 04:48:54 AM Mark Knecht wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Joost Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
>> > On Friday, November 04, 2011 06:03:55 PM Mark Knecht wrote:
>> >> 2011/11/4 Jorge Martínez López <jorgeml@gmail.com>:
>> >> > Did you install app-pda/ifuse and app-pda/libimobiledevice
>> >> > (dependency
>> >> > of ifuse and gtkpod)?. I do not recall touching any udev rule.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi Jorge,
>> >>    Thanks for the ifuse idea. ifuse /mnt/ipod does seem to get the
>> >> device mounted. However just poking around in the /mnt/ipod directory
>> >> isn't very clear by itself about how music (and one day hopefully
>> >> videos) are stored. Maybe I can find some info somewhere to help with
>> >> that if necessary.
>> >>
>> >>    Even with the device mounted it doesn't seem to be visible to
>> >> gtkpod, and there aren't any new USB disk messages in dmesg. Just a
>> >> single ifuse message is all that's added.
>> >>
>> >>    Well, at least I can sort of communicate with the ipod even if I
>> >> cannot do anything interesting yet
>> >
>> > I haven't played with my iPod touch yet, but the "older" models all
>> > worked with gtkpod.
>> > You might need to tell gtkpod to "open" the ipod by pointing it where it
>> > is mounted

I have the same problem, with an iPad, but effectively the same. iPods
work on the local Ubuntu machine, and I believe that usbmuxd is the
problem in this case. It's supposed to pick up the ipod announce in
dmesg and take over. I can't test atm, but it looks like a good place
to start.

Take a look here:
http://marcansoft.com/blog/2009/10/iphone-syncing-on-linux-part-2/

which is a little old, but  has piles of info. I'm thinking of
updating the HFS+ page on gentoo-wiki - if we figure this out, maybe
we can write up a good guide for Apple i* devices.

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:

> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high performance.
> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it

virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.


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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[J. Roeleveld]

On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
>
>> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
>> performance.
>> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
>
> virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.

Broken in what way?
I am happily using it without any issues.

--
Joost

[gentoo-user] Re: udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2011-11-07, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
>>
>>> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
>>> performance.
>>> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
>>
>> virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
>
> Broken in what way?
> I am happily using it without any issues.

I use it regularly as well without any problems.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Everybody is going
                                  at               somewhere!!  It's probably
                              gmail.com            a garage sale or a disaster
                                                   Movie!!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-11-07, J. Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
>>>
>>>> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
>>>> performance.
>>>> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
>>>
>>> virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
>>
>> Broken in what way?
>> I am happily using it without any issues.
>
> I use it regularly as well without any problems.
>

As do I. No real problems with it at all.
- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Montag 07 November 2011, 10:28:41 schrieb J. Roeleveld:
> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
> >> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
> >> performance.
> >> 
> >> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
> > 
> > virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
> 
> Broken in what way?
> I am happily using it without any issues.

the worst way:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw

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[gentoo-user] Re: udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2011-11-09, Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Montag 07 November 2011, 10:28:41 schrieb J. Roeleveld:
>> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> > Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
>> >> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
>> >> performance.
>> >> 
>> >> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
>> > 
>> > virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
>> 
>> Broken in what way?
>> I am happily using it without any issues.
>
> the worst way:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw

So some Linux developer thinks it's crap.  Big deal.  No matter what
you point at, there's a linux dev who thinks it's crap.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Hello, GORRY-O!!
                                  at               I'm a GENIUS from HARVARD!!
                              gmail.com            

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Mittwoch 09 November 2011, 16:19:53 schrieb Grant Edwards:
> On 2011-11-09, Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Am Montag 07 November 2011, 10:28:41 schrieb J. Roeleveld:
> >> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >> > Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
> >> >> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
> >> >> performance.
> >> >> 
> >> >> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
> >> > 
> >> > virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
> >> 
> >> Broken in what way?
> >> I am happily using it without any issues.
> > 
> > the worst way:
> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw
> 
> So some Linux developer thinks it's crap.  Big deal.  No matter what
> you point at, there's a linux dev who thinks it's crap.

yes, big deal. Because they don't 'think' it is crap, they have to deal with 
bug reports for distros, which are caused by virtualbox smashing around in 
memory.

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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Montag 07 November 2011, 10:28:41 schrieb J. Roeleveld:
>> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> > Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
>> >> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
>> >> performance.
>> >>
>> >> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
>> >
>> > virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
>>
>> Broken in what way?
>> I am happily using it without any issues.
>
> the worst way:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw
>

Yeah, it was sort of fun to watch that thread as it occurred on LKML.

Personally I felt the Phoronix article was a bit of a troll as the
best he could do personally was say that he had problems a year ago,
but I believe the kernel devs are telling the truth as best they know
it about the number of bug reports they get. Let's remember however
that they probably don't here much from those of us who use it
successfully.

What I'm not clear about Volker is whether _you_ are a user of
Virtualbox and have had problems with recent versions yourself or just
down on the application because of what you read?

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Mittwoch 09 November 2011, 10:22:42 schrieb Mark Knecht:
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> 
> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Am Montag 07 November 2011, 10:28:41 schrieb J. Roeleveld:
> >> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >> > Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
> >> >> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
> >> >> performance.
> >> >> 
> >> >> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
> >> > 
> >> > virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
> >> 
> >> Broken in what way?
> >> I am happily using it without any issues.
> > 
> > the worst way:
> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw
> 
> Yeah, it was sort of fun to watch that thread as it occurred on LKML.
> 
> Personally I felt the Phoronix article was a bit of a troll as the
> best he could do personally was say that he had problems a year ago,
> but I believe the kernel devs are telling the truth as best they know
> it about the number of bug reports they get. Let's remember however
> that they probably don't here much from those of us who use it
> successfully.
> 
> What I'm not clear about Volker is whether _you_ are a user of
> Virtualbox and have had problems with recent versions yourself or just
> down on the application because of what you read?
> 
> - Mark

except random crahes here and there and two instances of a virtual machine 
deconstructing itself, no, no problems here.

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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 09 November 2011, 10:22:42 schrieb Mark Knecht:
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>>
>> <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Am Montag 07 November 2011, 10:28:41 schrieb J. Roeleveld:
>> >> On Sun, November 6, 2011 6:49 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> >> > Am Samstag 05 November 2011, 20:45:15 schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
>> >> >> Virtualbox has decent USB-pass-through support. Even quite high
>> >> >> performance.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >    Thanks for your help. I do appreciate it
>> >> >
>> >> > virtualbox is also pretty broken at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> Broken in what way?
>> >> I am happily using it without any issues.
>> >
>> > the worst way:
>> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk5Mw
>>
>> Yeah, it was sort of fun to watch that thread as it occurred on LKML.
>>
>> Personally I felt the Phoronix article was a bit of a troll as the
>> best he could do personally was say that he had problems a year ago,
>> but I believe the kernel devs are telling the truth as best they know
>> it about the number of bug reports they get. Let's remember however
>> that they probably don't here much from those of us who use it
>> successfully.
>>
>> What I'm not clear about Volker is whether _you_ are a user of
>> Virtualbox and have had problems with recent versions yourself or just
>> down on the application because of what you read?
>>
>> - Mark
>
> except random crahes here and there and two instances of a virtual machine
> deconstructing itself, no, no problems here.
>

OK, good information, although I'm sorry you had the problems.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[James Broadhead]

As for native support, it looks as though Apple have updated their
protocol, so if you've a new i*, or have updated recently, then the
in-portage versions of ifuse and libimobiledevice won't work - I've
just gotten my updated iPad working with current git versions of both
however.

I've also been working on:
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Apple_ipod,_ipad,_iphone

Please feel free to add to it. :)

J

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:14 PM, James Broadhead
<jamesbroadhead@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for native support, it looks as though Apple have updated their
> protocol, so if you've a new i*, or have updated recently, then the
> in-portage versions of ifuse and libimobiledevice won't work - I've
> just gotten my updated iPad working with current git versions of both
> however.
>
> I've also been working on:
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Apple_ipod,_ipad,_iphone
>
> Please feel free to add to it. :)
>
> J

Hi James,
   Sitting here this evening I remembered you had posted this so I
thought I'd give it a try. While there's a lot of life I still don't
have a connection. Here's what I see following along with your
commands:

1) idevice_id just prints a help list. However

idevice_id -l

does give me a serial number.

2) ideviceinfo prints lots of information from the ipod.

3) idevicepair pair & idevicepair validate report success. Great so far.

5) ifuse /mnt/ipod does mount the ipod. I can cd to /mnt/ipod and see
directories, etc.

k2 ipod # ls -la
total 4
drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  204 Dec 31  1969 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Nov  4 17:50 ..
drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  102 Dec 31  1969 DCIM
drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  102 Dec 31  1969 Downloads
-rw-r--r-- 0 root root    0 Dec 31  1969 com.apple.itunes.lock_sync
drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  204 Dec 31  1969 iTunes_Control
k2 ipod #

At this point I start gtkpod but cannot find the ipod. I'm wondering
what root might need to do to make /mnt/ipod visible to my user
account? Should I be adding my id to some groups possibly? Something
else?

Thanks for the write-up.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[James Broadhead]

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Your user should be in plugdev, with the mountpoiny rwx by plugdev. I have
root:plugdev rwxrwxr-x.

I have more written, but I'm travellong atm.

Use app-pda/ideviceinstaller -l to get AppIds & then use ifuse --appid to
mount Apps 'Documents' folders (to pass them music/videos/ebooks).

I needed ifuse & libimobiledevice from git for my updated ipad1.
On Nov 13, 2011 5:06 a.m., "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:14 PM, James Broadhead
> <jamesbroadhead@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As for native support, it looks as though Apple have updated their
> > protocol, so if you've a new i*, or have updated recently, then the
> > in-portage versions of ifuse and libimobiledevice won't work - I've
> > just gotten my updated iPad working with current git versions of both
> > however.
> >
> > I've also been working on:
> > http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Apple_ipod,_ipad,_iphone
> >
> > Please feel free to add to it. :)
> >
> > J
>
> Hi James,
>   Sitting here this evening I remembered you had posted this so I
> thought I'd give it a try. While there's a lot of life I still don't
> have a connection. Here's what I see following along with your
> commands:
>
> 1) idevice_id just prints a help list. However
>
> idevice_id -l
>
> does give me a serial number.
>
> 2) ideviceinfo prints lots of information from the ipod.
>
> 3) idevicepair pair & idevicepair validate report success. Great so far.
>
> 5) ifuse /mnt/ipod does mount the ipod. I can cd to /mnt/ipod and see
> directories, etc.
>
> k2 ipod # ls -la
> total 4
> drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  204 Dec 31  1969 .
> drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 Nov  4 17:50 ..
> drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  102 Dec 31  1969 DCIM
> drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  102 Dec 31  1969 Downloads
> -rw-r--r-- 0 root root    0 Dec 31  1969 com.apple.itunes.lock_sync
> drwxr-xr-x 0 root root  204 Dec 31  1969 iTunes_Control
> k2 ipod #
>
> At this point I start gtkpod but cannot find the ipod. I'm wondering
> what root might need to do to make /mnt/ipod visible to my user
> account? Should I be adding my id to some groups possibly? Something
> else?
>
> Thanks for the write-up.
>
> - Mark
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[James Broadhead]

On 16 November 2011 08:42, James Broadhead <jamesbroadhead@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your user should be in plugdev, with the mountpoiny rwx by plugdev. I have
> root:plugdev rwxrwxr-x.

Oh, and run ifuse as the user, not as root :)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:21 AM, James Broadhead
<jamesbroadhead@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16 November 2011 08:42, James Broadhead <jamesbroadhead@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Your user should be in plugdev, with the mountpoiny rwx by plugdev. I have
>> root:plugdev rwxrwxr-x.
>
> Oh, and run ifuse as the user, not as root :)
>
>

I'll look into both of those. Thanks.

I got the Kindle Fire yesterday (2 days earlier than they originally
told me.) As far as I'm concerned the device is almost brilliant. At
least 4.5 stars. It's Android based, pure USB and very accessible.
Just hooked it up to my Gentoo box, mounted it, found the Video
directory, downloaded some movies ripped in Handbrake and started
enjoying it. Took about 20 minutes from opening the box until it was
playing a movie.

Storage is a little small. 8GB internal, about 6.3GB available to me,
but for $199 I have to say that having a portable reader/movie player
that also gives you free video if you're an Amazon Prime member and
has apps for playing NetFlix Instant Watch and Hulu+ is really nice.
Personally I like the 7" screen format but the device does feel a
little heavy. Batteries lasted all day and through the evening.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Pandu Poluan]

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On Nov 5, 2011 6:51 PM, "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (I do that a lot because my
> blood is pretty unique.)

(sorry for the offtopicness, but I really am curious)

AB+ ?

Rgds,

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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>
> On Nov 5, 2011 6:51 PM, "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> (I do that a lot because my
>> blood is pretty unique.)
>
> (sorry for the offtopicness, but I really am curious)
>
> AB+ ?
>
> Rgds,

Yeah, off topic, and a good first guess. I'm AB+ which makes my plasma
universal donor, but I'm also but also CMV- which makes it appropriate
for people who have suppressed immune systems. (Newborn babies, AIDS
patients, etc.) I've been donating for about 10 years now (since 9/11)
and in fact donated both platelets and plasma yesterday afternoon. I'm
told that in the U.S. the AB+/CMV- combination makes my type way below
1% in my age group. As a whole blood donor my AB+ can only be used by
other AB+ people, but my plasma can be used by anyone. Plasma can be
frozen and keeps for up to a year so I'm pretty much assured that
everything I donate is used somewhere.

I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
donating. Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful
and whole blood donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer
as it draws my blood, separates the contents, keeps the plasma &
platelets and then returns the rest of my blood back to my body.
(Spooky!) ;-)

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider 
> donating. Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful 
> and whole blood donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer 
> as it draws my blood, separates the contents, keeps the plasma & 
> platelets and then returns the rest of my blood back to my body. 
> (Spooky!) ;-) Cheers, Mark 

I would draw the line at it coming back.  If something wasn't cleaned 
right, they will find it when they test the blood later.  Thing is, if 
something wasn't cleaned right, you get it back.  I'd just drink a glass 
of orange juice.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider donating.
>> Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful and whole blood
>> donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer as it draws my blood,
>> separates the contents, keeps the plasma & platelets and then returns the
>> rest of my blood back to my body. (Spooky!) ;-) Cheers, Mark
>
> I would draw the line at it coming back.  If something wasn't cleaned right,
> they will find it when they test the blood later.  Thing is, if something
> wasn't cleaned right, you get it back.  I'd just drink a glass of orange
> juice.  lol
>
> Dale

Yeah, that was my concern before I started doing the process it but
it's a very interesting engineering solution to building a closed
system where everything is put in brand new for each donation. It's
this huge package of plastic tubes and hoses which are sealed until
moments before the blood draw so I'm not overly worried, but it's
really easy to understand why others would be, and for those folks
they should just do whole blood donations which only take blood out
and nothing returns. With those it's only a matter of a clean needle.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider donating.
>>> Even donating once a year is a big help. It's not painful and whole blood
>>> donations are easy. I do apheresis which takes longer as it draws my blood,
>>> separates the contents, keeps the plasma&  platelets and then returns the
>>> rest of my blood back to my body. (Spooky!) ;-) Cheers, Mark
>> I would draw the line at it coming back.  If something wasn't cleaned right,
>> they will find it when they test the blood later.  Thing is, if something
>> wasn't cleaned right, you get it back.  I'd just drink a glass of orange
>> juice.  lol
>>
>> Dale
> Yeah, that was my concern before I started doing the process it but
> it's a very interesting engineering solution to building a closed
> system where everything is put in brand new for each donation. It's
> this huge package of plastic tubes and hoses which are sealed until
> moments before the blood draw so I'm not overly worried, but it's
> really easy to understand why others would be, and for those folks
> they should just do whole blood donations which only take blood out
> and nothing returns. With those it's only a matter of a clean needle.
>
> - Mark
>
>

Well, if they do all that, then I could see how that isn't a problem.  I 
still sort of like the one clean needle thing tho.  I got enough health 
issues so I don't need some microscopic critter hitching a ride and 
making more problems for me.  So, be careful.  Keep a eye on them. 
Wouldn't want to lose a Gentoo user.  ^_^

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:16:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:

> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
> donating.

I used to9, but I'm no longer allowed to. In the UK, anyone who received
a transfusion before 1981 is no longer able to donate, I received blood
in December 1980.

It's something to do with CJD/Mad Cow disease, no jokes about the wife
please... she may read this and prove them right!


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Excuse for the day: daemons did it

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Re: [gentoo-user] udev rules for an iPod Touch?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 06:16:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>> I hope anyone reading who doesn't donate will at least consider
>> donating.
>
> I used to9, but I'm no longer allowed to. In the UK, anyone who received
> a transfusion before 1981 is no longer able to donate, I received blood
> in December 1980.
>
> It's something to do with CJD/Mad Cow disease, no jokes about the wife
> please... she may read this and prove them right!
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> Excuse for the day: daemons did it
>

We have the same limitations here and it is about Mad Cow. (Not 'THE
Mad Cow' you crazy Brit!) ;-)