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Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:58:00 -0400
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} hire a programmer or company?
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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> I'll be getting my feet wet with this shortly. =C2=A0Any other tips
>>> >> regarding the management of one or more programmers working on
>>> >> various small web projects? =C2=A0Maybe workflow or any key procedur=
es
>>> >> a newbie manager should follow?
>>> >
>>> > You can get away with almost anything except these two things:
>>> >
>>> > Do not micro-manage
>>> > Do not tell them how to do what they do
>>>
>>> Could you give me an example of this last one?
>>
>> - I see you are using Perl with hashrefs to do function xyz. Have you
>> considered (i.e. I would like you to) using $INSERT_SOMETHING_HERE?
>>
>> - Fiddling with the roadmap. Somehow, this always ends up like the
>> homeowner overriding the architect and trying to get the roof up
>> before the walls.
>>
>> - Giving "advice" on the process such as saying how awesome a concept
>> stakeholders and product owners are in Scrum. But they use
>> ExtremeProgramming.
>>
>> - Wanting to personally review the code often. I've seen some managers
>> =C2=A0want to do this daily.
>>
>> - Get personally involved on their level.
>>
>>
>> All these things class as interference. Managers and owners who do this
>> have miles of justifiable reasons for doing so, but it's always hogwash
>> - they interfere, plain and simple.
>
> This is really interesting to me. =C2=A0Is there a forum/website/book wit=
h
> more gritty, practical advice like this on managing programmers?
> These are the kinds of mistakes I will definitely make if someone
> doesn't tell me not to.
>
> Could you tell me really briefly what a manager *should* do?
>
> I think I'll try to manage a single programmer working few hours and
> see how it goes. =C2=A0My asking stupid questions is due to my lack of
> experience and there's only one way to fix that.
I'd probably suggest reading The Mythical Man-Month.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month
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