From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SD5hn-0008DJ-WB for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:07:20 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 96B97E0F57 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE67BE0E43 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 02:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1744228bkw.40 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:21:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JVBM9cBAFmwehDzIxP7AYV3LwPKcDb9k/8SfLTi4uRQ=; b=cC6KVec/SqIrv4VUG+dYv7Wf8uQ4HC9kx2mJwLEWGgVLbaMYTkSWA6RltxMl3dH2SC /8wTKjjtwUhjxJBgj16z5/1hAN4mgDDnnuE1peMoSSNWFjfsDByWEKqMfNor9VuY3yIU A3pGEBNEEZOxfWpImNPi+ukTQoo5pxIbm0EPihXu4aETP62ayosrZLTXf7hg/RKKHois R/XMLCcNDdfVCG56U/blJLwUNy2vpE7ClAyzC/fy/ispdTVrc4oRiN32rUoNLouLdrCm /tlR4Ftd6Q7n3uZL2AVqydWP6XG0ut30qBsctXc5hshD1d2shBzLtTVwpHw+xVH5hr/9 WZgQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.122.144 with SMTP id gg16mr13518253bkc.12.1332987671837; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.164.76 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:21:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003601cd0d10$a9c63730$fd52a590$@kutulu.org> References: <1332844604.4130.0@numa-i> <4F71BE44.3080206@kutulu.org> <4F71E865.30800@hadt.biz> <4F71F182.5010709@gmail.com> <4F7224B8.1050806@gmail.com> <4F723842.4000501@gmail.com> <20120328001421.7c65a401@khamul.example.com> <4F723FAA.9090205@gmail.com> <20120328004633.635b9c5c@khamul.example.com> <4F72522C.7070509@gmail.com> <20120328085855.18ecebaf@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <003601cd0d10$a9c63730$fd52a590$@kutulu.org> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: b54e09f0-6a16-450e-a828-62444dcd62ab X-Archives-Hash: 36fb26d624b61dfea2cf34ee310cf364 On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote: >> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:neil@digimed.co.uk] > > >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote: >> >> > So throw out my plans and just do it their way? =C2=A0In that case, I = may >> > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there. =C2=A0Maybe that is= what >> > they wanted and planned. >> >> According to Greg K-H, who I tend to trust, this did not come from Red > Hat. >> It's just that a couple of the devs are employed by them. Others are not= . > > I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / = and > /usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the "true UNIX way" that Linux is > following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :) There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a platform, is *dying*. Given that Linux has been my primary platform for most of my life, that bothers me no small amount. The "true UNIX way" is about KISS philosophy. Keep it Simple, Stupid. Keep things small, well-defined and modular. Break things into components, keep the components small and relatively well-defined. A *system* can be complex, but as long as it's well-organized, sufficiently large pieces of it may be grokked independently of others. Some packages eschewed that philosophy. Rather than say "fix your crap", the udev developers threw their hands in the air and said "we don't care; it's the responsibility of the distro maintainer to make sure that thinks are in shape before we get launched." Except that the only kind of distro for which it'd work reliably would be distros which don't have a rolling release behavior; the maintaners can get everything organized for a release, and then set things in stone. Gentoo, Arch, Debian/testing and Mint/Debian are in for a bumpy ride, for as long as this crap lasts. Well, either that, or understanding initramfs, symbol versioning and dynamic linking is going to become a more important a skill than shell scripting. All aid tools will break at one time or another, and we'll be have to learn how to fix them, or give up operating configurations that our own experience have taught us were the best for our circumstances. --=20 :wq