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From: Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDupVVrng_Y0jePe6kzqrqvPDei-Qxk39sXfLXfbqtJzQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <003601cd0d10$a9c63730$fd52a590$@kutulu.org>

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Mike Edenfield <kutulu@kutulu.org> wrote:
>> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:neil@digimed.co.uk]
>
>
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:50:04 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>> > So throw out my plans and just do it their way?  In that case, I may
>> > as well use Fedora since it sort of started there.  Maybe that is what
>> > they wanted and planned.
>>
>> According to Greg K-H, who I tend to trust, this did not come from Red
> Hat.
>> It's just that a couple of the devs are employed by them. Others are not.
>
> I was particularly interested to find out that Solaris started merging / and
> /usr 15 years ago, so in reality, the "true UNIX way" that Linux is
> following has long since been abandoned by UNIX :)

There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely
disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a
platform, is *dying*. Given that Linux has been my primary platform
for most of my life, that bothers me no small amount.


The "true UNIX way" is about KISS philosophy. Keep it Simple, Stupid.
Keep things small, well-defined and modular. Break things into
components, keep the components small and relatively well-defined. A
*system* can be complex, but as long as it's well-organized,
sufficiently large pieces of it may be grokked independently of
others.

Some packages eschewed that philosophy. Rather than say "fix your
crap", the udev developers threw their hands in the air and said "we
don't care; it's the responsibility of the distro maintainer to make
sure that thinks are in shape before we get launched." Except that the
only kind of distro for which it'd work reliably would be distros
which don't have a rolling release behavior; the maintaners can get
everything organized for a release, and then set things in stone.
Gentoo, Arch, Debian/testing and Mint/Debian are in for a bumpy ride,
for as long as this crap lasts. Well, either that, or understanding
initramfs, symbol versioning and dynamic linking is going to become a
more important a skill than shell scripting. All aid tools will break
at one time or another, and we'll be have to learn how to fix them, or
give up operating configurations that our own experience have taught
us were the best for our circumstances.

-- 
:wq



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-29  3:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-27 10:36 [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought Helmut Jarausch
2012-03-27 13:19 ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-27 13:30   ` Michael Mol
2012-03-27 14:04     ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-27 15:20       ` covici
2012-03-27 15:54         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-27 14:33     ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-27 15:47       ` Dale
2012-03-27 17:35         ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-27 18:30           ` Dale
2012-03-27 19:27             ` Sebastian Beßler
2012-03-27 20:04               ` Dale
2012-03-27 20:23                 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-27 20:46                   ` Dale
2012-03-27 21:08                     ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-27 21:43                       ` Dale
2012-03-27 21:52                         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-27 22:28                           ` Dale
2012-03-28  0:20                             ` David W Noon
2012-03-28  1:36                               ` Dale
2012-03-28 21:40                               ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-28 22:01                                 ` David W Noon
2012-03-28 22:26                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-28 23:20                                     ` David W Noon
2012-03-29  2:24                                       ` Dale
2012-03-29  8:28                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-29 12:01                                         ` David W Noon
2012-03-29 20:58                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-29 21:20                                             ` pk
2012-05-19 13:33                                             ` Frank Steinmetzger
2012-03-29 23:26                                           ` wdk@moriah
2012-03-30 10:36                                             ` David W Noon
2012-03-29 12:05                                         ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2012-03-29 13:00                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-29 20:55                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-29 22:10                                             ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-29 23:10                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-29 14:08                                       ` [gentoo-user] " Doug Hunley
2012-03-29 16:47                                         ` David W Noon
2012-03-27 22:02                         ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-27 22:35                           ` Dale
2012-03-27 22:49                             ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-29 13:59                               ` J. Roeleveld
2012-03-29 17:36                                 ` Dale
2012-03-30  7:23                                 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2012-03-30  7:56                                   ` J. Roeleveld
2012-03-27 23:04                         ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2012-03-27 23:47                           ` Dale
2012-03-28  7:51                             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-28  7:55                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-03-28 21:38                               ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-27 20:09             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-27 16:18     ` Michael Hampicke
2012-03-27 16:50       ` Michael Mol
2012-03-27 16:57       ` Dale
2012-03-27 17:09         ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-27 20:07           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-27 21:20             ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-27 21:38               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-27 20:36           ` Dale
2012-03-27 20:46             ` Mark Knecht
2012-03-27 21:59               ` Dale
2012-03-27 22:14                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-27 22:31                   ` Dale
2012-03-27 22:46                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-27 23:50                       ` Dale
2012-03-28  7:58                         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-28 18:29                           ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-28 21:58                             ` pk
2012-03-28 23:20                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-29 17:14                                 ` pk
2012-03-29 18:06                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-29 18:54                                     ` pk
2012-03-29  2:21                             ` Michael Mol [this message]
     [not found]                               ` <20120329100248.24ecb03c@digimed.co.uk>
2012-03-29 14:21                                 ` Michael Mol
2012-03-29 14:43                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-03-29 15:58                                     ` Michael Mol
2012-03-28 15:20                   ` Allan Gottlieb
2012-03-28 16:41                     ` Alex Schuster
2012-03-28 20:44                       ` Simon
2012-03-28 21:35                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-03-29  2:38                       ` Allan Gottlieb
2012-03-29  8:43                         ` Allan Gottlieb
2012-04-03 12:27                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-04-03 13:15                             ` Allan Gottlieb
2012-03-27 21:22             ` Mike Edenfield
2012-03-27 22:01               ` Dale
2012-03-28  2:27       ` William Kenworthy
2012-03-28  5:46   ` du yang

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