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From: Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off?
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 21:14:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+czFiDMe2+JMaZoRoSHR56+L0zUxqPaft1fHp=OZS+KpSc6jA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK2H+efshhQ-t9H84u3VyU-COAB1Qhnt9w4fvhRSOxaf5ixP9g@mail.gmail.com>

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On Oct 6, 2011 9:06 PM, "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Michael Mol <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Paul Hartman
> >> My worry was that if the mdraid daemon saw one drive gone - either
> >> when starting to spin down or when one spins up slowly - and if mdraid
> >> didn't understand that all this stuff was taking place intentionally
> >> then it might mark that drive as having failed.
> >
> > Does mdraid even have an awareness of timeouts, or does it leave that
> > to lower drivers? I think the latter condition is more likely.
> >
> > I suspect, though, that if your disk fails to spin up reasonably
> > quickly, it's already failed.
> >
>
> In general I agree. However drives that are designed for RAID have a
> feature known as Time Limited Error Recovery (TLER) which supposedly
> guarantees that they'll get the drive back to responding fast enough
> to not have it marked as failed in the RAID array:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-Limited_Error_Recovery
>
> When I built my first RAID I bought some WD 1TB green drives, built
> the RAID and immediately had drives failing because they didn't have
> this sort of feature. I replaced them with RAID Edition drives that
> have the TLER feature and have never had a problem since. (Well, I
> actually bought all new drives and kept the six 1TB drives which I'd
> mostly used up for other things like external eSATA backup drives,
> etc...)
>
> Anyway, I'm possibly over sensitized to this sort of timing problem
> specifically in a RAID which is why I asked the question of Paul in
> the first place.

My first RAID was with three Seagate economy 1.5TB drives in RAID 5, shortly
followed by three 1TB WD black drives in RAID 0. I never had the problems
you describe, though I rebuit the RAID5 several times as I was figuring
things out. (the 3TB RAID0 was for some heavy duty scratch space.)

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-07  1:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-06 19:14 [gentoo-user] How can I power disk off? Jarry
2011-10-06 19:27 ` Mark Knecht
2011-10-06 19:34 ` Alex Schuster
2011-10-06 19:38 ` Paul Hartman
2011-10-06 19:44   ` Mark Knecht
2011-10-06 20:03     ` Paul Hartman
2011-10-06 20:21       ` Mark Knecht
2011-10-06 20:28         ` Michael Mol
2011-10-07  1:04           ` Mark Knecht
2011-10-07  1:14             ` Michael Mol [this message]
2011-10-07 13:19               ` Mark Knecht
2011-10-06 20:31         ` David W Noon
2011-10-06 20:56           ` Paul Hartman
2011-10-06 20:49         ` Paul Hartman
2011-10-06 19:41 ` Dale
2011-10-07  1:29 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2011-10-07  2:51   ` Paul Hartman

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